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Post by oasiscam on Apr 17, 2011 23:24:51 GMT -5
Hi Guys
I found an interview from Noel From 2006 on the mtv website which i'v never seen before it was just before Stop the clocks was released and Noel said some very interesting comments.
He said that the Knebworth Shows have been remixed and it seems if there was going to be a release all the talking in between songs is going to be cut out.
So when stop the clocks came out it had 1 track taken from this remix version which was amazing champange supernova.
But it begs the question 5 years down the track why we don't have a release of 2 of there biggest shows ?
I really don't understand it even when time flies came out they could of put something special out like a big massive box set like DOYS.
They could make the following
Deluxe Version Blu ray 2 x cd's of both concerts 45 page booklet which has concert information song set list and back ground on the biggest show on earth.
Rehearsal footage again we have seen snippets used on stop the clocks and also masterplan cd the back page.
Also have the show remixed from the original multi tracks i'm sure this has been done but just in case HD DTS Sound and also maybe have a multi angle option.
Is there a way of contacting big brother it's us the fans that can make stuff like this happen we need to really bug them to death with fans emails and letters soon enough they will set up and listen.
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 17, 2011 23:57:44 GMT -5
I would give my left testicle just to see a release of Knebworth on Bluray/DVD. If they do release it should just be the First Night, the second isn't as good because Liam is too drunk imo. Especially since we have nothing of the first night except for that brilliant Champagne Supernova vid. I do think that there will be a release most likely on the 20th anniversary in 2016, as it is one of the few Oasis concerts that was shot on film with the intent of a future release that is yet to be released. Big Brother don't have much control over it however, it is this production company that owns it I'm pretty sure, so if you're going to try and pressure anyone to release it, it would be these guys: www.cinefromage.com/creditlist.asp
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Post by oasiscam on Apr 18, 2011 0:05:46 GMT -5
I would let them cut my arm off to see it aswell Blue Jay your spot on mate that is the company that shot it. This was shot on film and video tape which as you said makes it a great release. The thing i don't know if if the video version was shot on widescreen i don't think it was but i guess they can fix that so it's 16/9
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 18, 2011 0:13:13 GMT -5
Its atrocious that it hasn't been released as of yet, it is such a valuable and significant part of the Oasis story.
I doubt it would have been shot on wide-screen as that was pretty rare for 1996, and if you look at the There & Then footage which was done by the same company, it is not in wide-screen (but is still great footage nonetheless!)
But considering it was such a huge event for its time, they may have used the best equipment available to shoot it in wide and HD formats.
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Post by oasiscam on Apr 18, 2011 0:25:11 GMT -5
Yes and no
the issue also which i feel it was shot in 4:3 the screens on that whole tour were 4:3
I got in touch with some people that worked on that tour aswell i can paste there response here if needed.
At one stage i wanted to work on a complete list of all known pro shot gigs from oasis
1994 -2009
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Post by shoofee on Apr 18, 2011 1:21:34 GMT -5
It says that it was "filmed" and on digital video. It may be possible to get a blu-ray out of it depending on what they shot it in. It may also not be the venue cameras that they were shooting for. Theres not enough info provided to make a strong enough guess on that. Its not surprising to hear that the banter would be edited out. Thats a fairly common practice in respect to released concert videos as it can date them and for some reason they think dating the material is bad. The material may not be conducive to a retail release. Technical problems may have arose and that sort of thing. Theres a lot of reasons why something won't be released. That's really wishful thinking, especially with the way this band has been handled in the past. What I would expect is we'd get one "Oasis at Knebworth" two CD set, and the set would be comprised of the best performances of a particular track from a performance (i.e. Wonderwall from night 1 and DLBIA from night 2) in an effort to create a definitive set. A Deluxe Version would be possible, but I highly doubt they'd release both shows the way you're suggesting. The guessing game is on the blu-ray. It wholly depends on what they shot it in. The fact that it says "filmed" and that is differentiated from other things they shot, leads me to believe its possible. No. You're very off here. Production companies would be hired to produce it, but they would NOT own the rights. Its entirely up to who commisioned this company to shoot it. Likely, Sony or the band themselves if they own the rights (Im not sure of who owns Oasis' rights). If it was released, it would likely be on the Big Brother imprint. This company (..cheese) have no release rights whatsoever. You'd be pressuring them needlessly. This company was paid to film it and for some reason the final product has not been released. But considering it was such a huge event for its time, they may have used the best equipment available to shoot it in wide and HD formats. Not possible. HD technology for something like this was non-existant in 1996. Widescreen's been around since the 30s, so its highly possible that theres a 16:9 print, but for HD alone its completely dependent on how it was shot and if that output can be upscaled to high definition. I dont think Big Brother have any contact details. You would probably want to contact Ignition as they still hold Oasis' managerial stuff.
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 18, 2011 1:32:44 GMT -5
Oh okay, I wasn't sure who owned the rights to it, thanks for clearing that up.
Also, with the Film and Digital Video description, is it possible that they only shot a few significant songs on film (for eg. Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova & The Masterplan - the latter two were released as videos on MTV) whilst shooting the rest of it on Video?
Because the snippets that we have seen from first night footage (Wonderwall off Music Documentaries and Champagne Supernova off the Stop the Clocks dvd) is crystal clear and amazing quality, but it might not have been like this for every song in the setlist.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 18, 2011 1:38:19 GMT -5
Oh okay, I wasn't sure who owned the rights to it, thanks for clearing that up. Also, with the Film and Digital Video description, is it possible that they only shot a few significant songs on film (for eg. Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova & The Masterplan - the latter two were released as videos on MTV) whilst shooting the rest of it on Video? Thats absolutely possible. The thing is that it says it was shot "film" and "digital video". That may mean there was film cameras shooting certain things (hard cameras that dont move positions) and digital video cameras shooting stuff to edit into the final film (odd shots, etc). It also depends on how many cameras they had for the shoot. For something like Knebworth I imagine there were a lot. IE on their Britney Spears credit they say it was a 14 camera shoot. I imagine, however, that those same cameras that got that footage you're speaking of captured the whole show. Theres many variables and theres not nearly enough info to even make a halfway assured guess. If someone's feeling up to it, email the production company thats linked in this thread and ask how they shot it, ask what type of film they used, how many and what type of cameras and who owns the rights. You may not get an answer, but if you want to know may as well try.
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Post by oasiscam on Apr 18, 2011 4:28:49 GMT -5
Also 1995 earls court was shot with a few super 8 cameras which is really cool the cutting between the betacam footage and film.
Oasis could put out a collectors label or a limited edition cd from there website just to test the water see what interest is there.
It would be amazing i don't think there management understand how much interest there is from fans in getting this footage or maybe they do that's why there so bloody protective off it.
Another point i would like to make How great would D'yer know what i mean film clip look on blu ray if it was transfered from the original film elements ?
mind blowing would be 1 word
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 18, 2011 5:36:10 GMT -5
I thought they've officially announced to release it...
BTW, Knebworth was the reason why I found and joined this forum.
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Post by pheel on Apr 18, 2011 8:40:28 GMT -5
I really hope that one day we'll be able to see this released as some sort of package. It is a sort of holy grail of pro-shot footage around here. I read an interview with Noel stating that it was "properly filmed, and not shot on Mickey Mouse" cameras and that they had always planned to release it. I've even heard that there were cameras throughout the backstage areas among the hundreds of stars on the guestlist and the huge amount of wine and dine. If anyone is interested there are a few new bits and pieces of footage featured in the biography channel's Oasis biography. It is namely just shots of the thousands of people walking in and around knebworth before the show, showing a lot of the liam lookalikes.
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Post by Leezy on Apr 18, 2011 10:08:11 GMT -5
One day.... definitely one day... this shit will get released. I think Noel definitely knows how historic a gig it was for them and he probably wants everything to be absolutely right before he'd even consider it being released, now that Bluray and HD seems the standard thing I really think we'll definitely be seeing this released sooner rather than later.
The footage of Champagne Supernova looks and sounds the nuts!, definitely widescreen and not 4:3 ratio as well.
Really hope what Noel says about cutting out the banter between the songs isn't true, for me it all adds to the fun. Would definitely miss them singing "Who the fuck are Man United?!" as well...
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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 10:37:11 GMT -5
I hope they release the concert intact. I think it's going to be saved for a big anniversary of the concert. Like, 20 years or 25 years.
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Post by Rifles on Apr 18, 2011 10:57:26 GMT -5
God damn Squire's guitar work is horrible there. Worst CS solo i've come across yet.
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Post by craigfairlie on Apr 18, 2011 11:15:05 GMT -5
It would be good to have it on DVD/Blu-Ray. The last Oasis DVD Release in terms of live performance was good but not top notch.
It Really Really Really Pissed me off when i found out that it was the Roundhouse Performance on the Bonus CD of TF. I would have thought they would have put a classic gig on it i.e Knebworth,LL,Finsbury Park or even some of the early 1994 shows.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 12:07:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I want the banter to remain too. It's part of the experience, so why cut it? It makes it fun, and it was part of what Oasis were about in the 90s. How can you not want to hear Liam's youthful gibberish or Noel's dry, sarcastic remarks?
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 18, 2011 12:56:37 GMT -5
Ah it will be released, that's for sure, but we dunno when.
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Apr 18, 2011 14:14:02 GMT -5
It was one of the worst concerts of 1996, I would rather they released sth else. On the other hand, I'm still waiting for that awesome MBM in good quality!
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Post by howdo59 on Apr 18, 2011 16:33:49 GMT -5
One of the best ever gigs of The Who was released 26 years after the peformance on audio (Isle Of Wight Festival 1970) and later got released on dvd so depending on who gets the royalties for the concerts depends on if and when something like this will ever be released. If Noel has a say (which he almost certainly will) then don't expect anything soon!
Something which you thought would have happened by now is the Teenage Cancer Trust gigs to be released on official dvd and the proceeds go to the charity, i'm sure that would make them a good few quid. Maybe do a box set of all the acts? Again, it's all for a good cause.
MTV Unplugged, Knebworth, Maine Road, G-Mex, Wembley 2000 (which we already have a official release) and Finsbury Park are the most iconic Oasis gigs in my opinion which if ever released officially would fly off the shelves! But one of the best things about Oasis gigs is the banter the band (at least in the early days) used to have with the crowd and all official Oasis dvds have that cut out which would take a lot of the live experience of Oasis out of it,
I would love to see either something from Knebworth or Finsbury Park, more likely to be Knebworth due to the history of the venue tho.
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 18, 2011 22:37:33 GMT -5
It was one of the worst concerts of 1996, I would rather they released sth else. On the other hand, I'm still waiting for that awesome MBM in good quality! Wrong! It was beyond brilliant - the first night in particular.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 19, 2011 0:20:51 GMT -5
God damn Squire's guitar work is horrible there. Worst CS solo i've come across yet. Really?!? I actually quite like his version of the CS solo. His better than the Johnny Marr version. I like that Squire didn't stay with the original format of the solo, he just went off and did his own thing.
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Post by pheel on Apr 19, 2011 0:59:19 GMT -5
The part when Noel and Squire have to play in sync is a little funny sounding though, but i never minded Squires playing at this gig. Liam on the other hand was drunk as hell near the end of the first night, and had a massive hangover on the second which is why he sounds kinda haggard on a few tracks. If you listen to the summer 1996 gigs you can tell that he was getting the laryngitis that in part caused him to miss the gig in Chicago 1996. The man sings realllllly hard especially on Live Forever at this gig. No wonder he got laryngitis!!
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Post by Rifles on Apr 19, 2011 1:01:53 GMT -5
God damn Squire's guitar work is horrible there. Worst CS solo i've come across yet. Really?!? I actually quite like his version of the CS solo. His better than the Johnny Marr version. I like that Squire didn't stay with the original format of the solo, he just went off and did his own thing. No way man, it's awful. You can't even hear what he's playing half the time cuz he's down in the same register as the base riff/chords. And when you can hear him its just nonsense finger flicking b.s. That kind of playing does nothing for me. There's not an ounce of melody in that solo. It's just "i'm gonna play a bunch of notes really fast". Marr's solo from the Barrowlands wasn't that great either, but at least it fit with the song and you could hear the notes. Just doesn't fit the style I enjoy. Give me Noel's solos any day. I'll take a slower, more melodic solo over a fast one that goes nowhere.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Apr 19, 2011 3:09:38 GMT -5
You can't even hear what he's playing half the time In a Seahorses interview a year after Knebworth, Squire said he had been suffering from flu that weekend. I think that Liam said onstage that he hadn't seen Squire because he'd been in bed all day. Squire also said he couldn't hear anything and couldn't tell where he was during the song due to monitor problems, that's assuming Squire even knew CS that well to begin with.
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Apr 19, 2011 3:19:00 GMT -5
It was one of the worst concerts of 1996, I would rather they released sth else. On the other hand, I'm still waiting for that awesome MBM in good quality! Wrong! It was beyond brilliant - the first night in particular. Sure, the atmosphere was good (probably), and it was history, but Liam's voice was an annoying, nasal, high-pitched screech. Knebworth is nowhere near the Maine Road performance, for example.
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