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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 9, 2011 14:23:24 GMT -5
I can't believe those idiots didn't ask about Beady Eye. Or maybe he had set restrictions? Noel has no compunction about lying in the press when it suits him. Very true, makes you wonder about the post spilt statement.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 14:32:36 GMT -5
Noel has no compunction about lying in the press when it suits him. Very true, makes you wonder about the post spilt statement. That wasn't Noel speaking to the press. That was a letter to the fans. Why is everyone so hung up on that blogpost? It's weird, vague, doesn't give any insight, and I am not even convinced that Noel even wrote it himself. But everyone keeps pointing @ it like some sort of knowledge is contained within it.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 9, 2011 14:38:48 GMT -5
Why is everyone so hung up on that blogpost? It's weird, vague, doesn't give any insight, and I am not even convinced that Noel even wrote it himself. But everyone keeps pointing @ it like some sort of knowledge is contained within it. it holds the location of the Ark of the Covenant.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 9, 2011 14:47:50 GMT -5
Very true, makes you wonder about the post spilt statement. That wasn't Noel speaking to the press. That was a letter to the fans. Why is everyone so hung up on that blogpost? It's weird, vague, doesn't give any insight, and I am not even convinced that Noel even wrote it himself. But everyone keeps pointing @ it like some sort of knowledge is contained within it. Don't be so naive, whan a man of Noel Gallagher's celebrity post's something like that on a blog after the spilt of one of the biggest bands in England of course it is geared to the press aswell. Who wrote it is irrelevant, if Noel wrote it himself it deserves scrutiny as you rightly pointed out 'Noel has no compunction about lying in the press when it suits him.' and if he didn't write it he certainly authorised it so it makes no difference. No-one is hung up on the statement, what you said brought up an interesting way of looking at it though. although wasn't it posted on the official Oasis website?
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 9, 2011 15:07:47 GMT -5
According to Liam Noel asked Marcus Russel to write it. I wouldn't be surprised if I read the God damn thing before he did.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 9, 2011 15:38:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if I read the God damn thing before he did. And you base this on what exactly? Knowing what a careful watch Noel keeps on most things and his confession that he can be a bit of a control freak I find that unlikely.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 15:48:22 GMT -5
That wasn't Noel speaking to the press. That was a letter to the fans. Why is everyone so hung up on that blogpost? It's weird, vague, doesn't give any insight, and I am not even convinced that Noel even wrote it himself. But everyone keeps pointing @ it like some sort of knowledge is contained within it. Don't be so naive, whan a man of Noel Gallagher's celebrity post's something like that on a blog after the spilt of one of the biggest bands in England of course it is geared to the press aswell. Who wrote it is irrelevant, if Noel wrote it himself it deserves scrutiny as you rightly pointed out 'Noel has no compunction about lying in the press when it suits him.' and if he didn't write it he certainly authorised it so it makes no difference. No-one is hung up on the statement, what you said brought up an interesting way of looking at it though. although wasn't it posted on the official Oasis website? Noel doesn't mind lying to the press certainly when there is a reason to. But that statement was for the fans. The statement was picked up by the press but you had to be a member of the Oasis fansite to access it the original statement. I remember that because the radio announcer said that he had had to set up an account on oasisnet to access the statement to read on air. I thought that the one that was on the offical website was the one that came out the night of the altercation where he said he could not go on working with Liam another day...and then the next day on Tales from Nowhere there was the lengthier statement citing management, band member, intimidation etc. I think that Noel genuinely didn't want to be in a band with Liam anymore...at that is the only truth that I can really glean from all both of those statements. So I don't think that Noel was lying to suit himself. I could be wrong as I had been in a cabin in the mountains that weekend so I didn't find out about any of this until we got back into radio signal range Monday afternoon so I may have my timeline mixed up. I think that the management team was just trying to obscure the blunt truth that Oasis split because of yet another boring and predictable fight between the brothers with vague talk about management and bandmates. I think his involvement with the second statement was pretty minimal.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 15:54:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if I read the God damn thing before he did. And you base this on what exactly? Knowing what a careful watch Noel keeps on most things and his confession that he can be a bit of a control freak I find that unlikely. He admits during the fallout of the split in 2000 that the statement that he wasn't going to tour abroad anymore with the band wasn't him but just something put out by his manager to fend off the lawyers. So why would it be such a shock if the management had more to do with a proper statement than Noel. I think Noel would have found that first statement more than sufficient. Noel is very involved in the music and music related output. But he never been a control freak about the promo, PR, the stage design, the venues they played at. He always says that he pays other people people to deal with stuff like that.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 9, 2011 16:34:46 GMT -5
There were no Lawyers involved not implied or alluded to and the statement itself didn't provide a valid reason for fending them off if that was required.
You think that a statement regarding the ending of a band he'd been in for well over a decade and a thanks and goodbye to the fans who had supported him which also contained a slight on his brother and other bandmates and the management you claim probably wrote it, was done without his imput?
Again I find this unlikely, from a logical view.
To suggest that the statement was not intended or written with a view to the media is naive indeed and to present the argument that you had to sign up to the website to read it is flimsy a best. Everyone knew that it would be out in moments after being posted, it is the internet after all.
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Post by shoes222 on Feb 9, 2011 17:10:41 GMT -5
Can you imagine the press feeding frenzy if both promoted an album @ the same time? It'd be nuts and the music would get lost in the confusion, IMO. Overshadowed by the never ending saga of the Gallagher brothers. I think he is waiting for BDI to become old news before he starts putting his own stuff forward. Possibly and most likely he is waiting, but i have imagined what it would be like if they actually went out and competed with each other, it would become the nearest in the media publicity sense that they got between 94 - 97, if they were up for that kind of promotion then i think they would do it (it would be a wise move to get people talking about the Gallaghers again, and would shift several thousand oasis albums in the process) , but i dont think they can be arsed and probably feel too old for it now. This is why Oasis should have split up a decade ago...when Noel walked out on the band in 2000. Because then they directly would have competed with each other, the music would probably be better, and the inevitable Oasis reunion would have come sooner. (with maybe even some original members back and Alan White).
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 9, 2011 17:33:38 GMT -5
Why do people want Guigsy and Bonehead back so much? Gem and Andy are far better than them end of story. Sure Bonehead and Guigs were there during the glory days but they had no input in the songs anyway.
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Post by shoes222 on Feb 9, 2011 17:42:28 GMT -5
I never said anything about Gem and Andy being technically better musicians and songwriters, because that's obviously the case. But Gem and Andy's contributions and involvement ended up turning Oasis into a different band, and dare I say a little softer. For a reunion tour, it would be nice to get a more primal style of playing back into Oasis.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 9, 2011 17:54:01 GMT -5
You'd have to make Liam and Noel a bit younger for that to happen. I think it has less to do with the players and more to do with Noel and Liam getting older both of them coming off drugs/doing less drugs and having a less wild life style.
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Post by globe on Feb 9, 2011 17:59:40 GMT -5
Why do people want Guigsy and Bonehead back so much? Gem and Andy are far better than them end of story. Sure Bonehead and Guigs were there during the glory days but they had no input in the songs anyway. Maybe because when Bonehead and Guigs were in the band, they were the most exciting, thrilling, electric band you could ever wish to see? Yes, Gem and Bell are excellent musicians, but Oasis were never the same after Bonehead and Guigs left, and if you think any different then you obviously didn't see them between 1994-1998. Looking back, they should have split when the original line-up disintegrated, they'd have been remembered as legends, not this band floundering around or a decade trying to recapture former glories.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 18:46:41 GMT -5
You'd have to make Liam and Noel a bit younger for that to happen. I think it has less to do with the players and more to do with Noel and Liam getting older both of them coming off drugs/doing less drugs and having a less wild life style. I think you have a point there. Oasis changing after BHN had as much to do with a change in the brothers, particularly Noel, as it did with the changing line-up. Even if Bonehead and Guigs had stayed Oasis would not have been the same as the euphoric band they had been in the 90's @ the turn of the century. And if Guigs and Bonehead came back for a reunion the band would not act as they had back then. I think they had been awesome in the beginning because they were a gang of mates as much as they were a band. The success of the mid-90's pulled a lot of that easy comradery apart. Particularly with Bonehead, I wonder I which came first. Did the band get less crazy because he left? Or did he leave because the band became less crazy? Guigs always seemed to stoned to actually contibute that much energy or personality.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 9, 2011 18:51:11 GMT -5
Didn't bonehead quite because the "fun" had gone out of the band? Think that answers your question.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 18:55:25 GMT -5
Didn't bonehead quite because the "fun" had gone out of the band? Think that answers your question. I've never read any official statements by him or read an interview where he explicitly said why he left. If he said that then I think that it does. In which case wishing for Bonehead and Guigs back is futile because the party left before they did.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 9, 2011 22:25:42 GMT -5
I agree with tomlivesforever. It is being pretty naive to think that the "fan" message was only meant for the fans. When it was written and posted for all the internet/world to see, of course the media was taken into account. As much as Liam and Noel would like to deny it, when they release any statement, there is always a part of them which is writing it toward the media.
And the management explanation GDForever doesnt fly as well either. To think that Noel would leave this statement to just lawyers. And to think that they released and Noel didn't some what approve of it, is also hard to believe. And again, Liam and Noel try not act like it, but both are some what image consciense. Noel is not going to leave his full image and reputation in the hands of lawyers and management.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 23:44:58 GMT -5
^ I wasn't saying that it was for legal reasons. I meant that Noel had let his management release statements on his behalf before.
Maybe it's just the comment by Liam that the management had created the statement for Noel that put it in my head as a real possibility recently
Who knows though.
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Post by shoes222 on Feb 10, 2011 18:22:29 GMT -5
You'd have to make Liam and Noel a bit younger for that to happen. I think it has less to do with the players and more to do with Noel and Liam getting older both of them coming off drugs/doing less drugs and having a less wild life style. I couldn't care less about the lifestyle or anything like that, I just want there to be an energy in the songs again. Just check this clip out from Maine Road...there aren't even any words in this song but the entire crowd is just going NUTS for it.
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Post by mayugem on Feb 12, 2011 11:13:19 GMT -5
This is from the official twitter account by SonyMusicJapan for Japanese. 'As the blog of Beady Eye's management staff Steve says, the members come to the office often. The Beady Eye's (management) office = the OASIS' office, and = that is the Noel's office. The last time I saw Noel at there, he said to me "We can work together this year!" with full smile. Mmm, look forward to this, too.' Anyway, I don't think Noel is lazy. BDI has said they makes records to play gigs. On the other hand, Noel makes records to make records/music (I'm just guessing). It feels natural that approaches or production times are different.
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