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Post by R Kid from Denmark on Jun 18, 2010 16:49:23 GMT -5
I just never understood why it suddenly became cool to "hate" Oasis as a band. I became a fan in late 2007, so I haven't followed them from the beginning.
Not everyone, but a lot of journalists and high school students I know talk negatively about Oasis. In the media they were portrayed stereotypically as wild madmen.
If Oasis were not a mainstream band, I bet a lot journalists and fucking students would be kissing their asses. How can you sell over 70 million albums and tour all over the world without being fucking brilliant?
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Post by Mogly on Jun 18, 2010 16:59:27 GMT -5
^^^^^^
Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Green Day and many more have sold millions and millions of records, sold out arenas and stadiums all over the world... are they great? no
Velvet Underground, Sonic Youth, The Stooges were all brilliant and vastly influential and they didn't sell many records
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Post by R Kid from Denmark on Jun 18, 2010 17:20:51 GMT -5
Completely true. That was not very well put by me. Commercial succes does not justify artistic integrity at all.
But back on topic, I just don't the universal hatred for Oasis from some journalists and students. The "hip" students I know listen to Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Coldplay, Neil Young, Johnny Cash and some John Lennon. To them, Oasis are nothing (they probably only know "Wonderwall", "Don't Look Back in Anger" and "Champagne Supernova"?)
Oasis were insanely underrated outside the UK.
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Post by Micky on Jun 18, 2010 19:05:08 GMT -5
But back on topic, I just don't the universal hatred for Oasis from some journalists and students. And this bothers you because...?
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Post by spaneli on Jun 18, 2010 19:13:57 GMT -5
Well this has been covered I think a few time before, but there are multiple reasons as to why. For one thing, the Gallaghers attitudes dont win them any fans. Oasis didnt help themselves any by not really releasing good material and also not playing toward America. But as I said in another thread, I do think that the name of Oasis is really coming back and has been since DBTT. Especially, in America. It seems like with every passing year their popularity gets a bit bigger. And it will keep growing I think. It will be helped by Time Flies. The fact thats its currently #27 on US Itunes without any promotion shows how much they've grown. Some, of the casual fans are coming back and there's also this new young generation of Oasis fans, such as myself which have sprung up. There's a pretty good chance that Time Flies (if the physical holds up with the digital which is should cause a band like Oasis should sell more physically) will enter the Billboard 200 in the top 50. That's a 40+ spot approval from Stop The Clocks. Music goes in cycles and the previous cycle was with a lot of journalists not liking Oasis, but it seems like a new cycle is coming of new young journalist from my generation who will take another look back on Oasis. I truely believe that if Oasis refroms 5 years from now that they truely will get a #1 album in America (mainly because of the major hype that would surround it) and that they could spring a big hit in America. Because if TSOTL could go #93 on the Hot 100 then say somethiong like the Turning or a bit better could easily go Top 40.
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Post by Micky on Jun 18, 2010 19:29:30 GMT -5
Well this has been covered I think a few time before, but there are multiple reasons as to why. For one thing, the Gallaghers attitudes dont win them any fans. Oasis didnt help themselves any by not really releasing good material and also not playing toward America. But as I said in another thread, I do think that the name of Oasis is really coming back and has been since DBTT. Especially, in America. It seems like with every passing year their popularity gets a bit bigger. And it will keep growing I think. It will be helped by Time Flies. The fact thats its currently #27 on US Itunes without any promotion shows how much they've grown. Some, of the casual fans are coming back and there's also this new young generation of Oasis fans, such as myself which have sprung up. There's a pretty good chance that Time Flies (if the physical holds up with the digital which is should cause a band like Oasis should sell more physically) will enter the Billboard 200 in the top 50. That's a 40+ spot approval from Stop The Clocks. Music goes in cycles and the previous cycle was with a lot of journalists not liking Oasis, but it seems like a new cycle is coming of new young journalist from my generation who will take another look back on Oasis. I truely believe that if Oasis refroms 5 years from now that they truely will get a #1 album in America (mainly because of the major hype that would surround it) and that they could spring a big hit in America. Because if TSOTL could go #93 on the Hot 100 then say somethiong like the Turning or a bit better could easily go Top 40. I'd like to introduce you to someone: your welcome
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Post by gdforever on Jun 18, 2010 19:33:48 GMT -5
^LOL
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Post by globe on Jun 19, 2010 1:53:49 GMT -5
Three words can answer the original question - Be Here Now.
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 19, 2010 2:21:32 GMT -5
its because that at the height of oasis' powers at around 96-97, their huge fan base and media praisal was resented by a lot of people as not being cool to like them because everyone liked them - similar to coldplay or u2 or kings of leon now a days.
because they werent indie and were mainstream and were selling records in phenomenal numbers; everyone knew them and it wasnt a cool acquired taste like todays indie records. this original resentment wasnt helped by the fact that oasis left themselves wide open for targeting and critisms after the release of be here now. and as has already been stated - the gallaghers attitudes have given them a very bad image outside of england, especially in america.
i know for one thing that ever since liam threw a scone on a plane on the way to australia in 1998, everyone here has completely ignored them and dismisses them straight away. surely this contradicts the phrase "any publicity is good publicity".
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 19, 2010 2:55:03 GMT -5
Three words can answer the original question - Be Here Now. I've been hearing your hate for this album for more than 5 years now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- chrstian, you really should stop thinking things like that cos it's just waste of time. You don't love a band or music cos it's cool to love them, do you? If other people don't like what you love, it's their problem and you can't force others to have a same taste as yours. If you love some band, some clothes, some shoes just because it's "cool" to love them, cool to wear them cos it's in a paper, on a news, you're just a puppet.
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Post by tulster on Jun 19, 2010 5:17:38 GMT -5
most of you are missing the real reason ........... these people who write about Oasis negatively etc are people who dont understand what their lives were like etc
These are people who have never got into trouble who arent "wild" and so they look down upon Oasis
Oasis represent Britains local council estates youths, I was one at one point and that's what caught my attention with Oasis - they were real and not U2 kissing journo's asses
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Post by Rita on Jun 19, 2010 5:24:41 GMT -5
Oasis were insanely underrated outside the UK. That's really true. I see, at least here in Portugal, there are very few people who know more than Wonderwall... It's an older generation of fans and they are still very few. Personally, I think it's because the portuguese audience loves all that sort of spectacle factor, like the visual effects, 360º stages, people in the band dancing around and being nice to the audience and saying they love them and bla bla bla For instance, Oasis came here and didn't even sell out a venue of 20,000 people (bands like Muse and Metallica did sell out that one) and U2 are playing two nights in a football stadium... And besides that, I agree that hating oasis has become "cool", I see all the teenagers around me that are only starting to get into real music now, and they all go on saying that oasis are a cheesy and overrated band and all that (even if they only know Wonderwall, like I said). They're all into either hard rock, or indie rock or stuff like Muse and all that. But I'm 17 years old and I couldn't care less if it's cool or not, for me it is the coolest possible, and I'm not sticking to fashion, although I do like some of the bands I mentioned oasis are still my favourite, and other people's ignorance is not a source of problems to me whatsoever. Like mimmi said:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 8:48:23 GMT -5
Three words can answer the original question - Be Here Now. ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE SAINTLY GLOBE BHN was a album that had any other band came out with would have been embraced by everyone,,but we all know what it had to follow up and it was great just not the other 2..... The real reason OASIS havent been "COOL" to assholes who like pop and such is simply because they cancelled too many shows in the USA ,,,,,fucked MTV (unplugged) ,,, to me thats cool but in the states its suicide and ever since they were never given a fair shake. radio stations dont play them like they should and like everything else outta sight outta mind
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 8:55:58 GMT -5
let me give you a example back in 2004 I Tried to get the classic rock stations in nyc to play Oasis WEBBY helped as well but it came to nothing ,104.3 the big station in NYC at the time just ignored us sent me a E MAIL saying OASIS wewr not "classic rock" that shows you what not playin the game means ,,,marry a actress and have a kid named APPLE and youre BRILLIANT be a bunch of hooligans from MANC and youre not ...FUCK EM
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Post by tcrown on Jun 19, 2010 9:27:27 GMT -5
I think that now that Oasis is no more there is going to be a lot more respect for the band. It was easy for casual music fans and rock critics to hate on the band. They were looked at as has beens from an era that peeked in the nineties. Most of us here can see a bit deeper into the story and know that the music has stayed pretty consistent and they were still hungry. Without anymore fighting or new albums to compare to the first two, people will be forced to look at the music. They will also realize that Oasis are one of the last true rock and roll bands with no pretense.
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Post by NYR on Jun 19, 2010 11:08:38 GMT -5
who cares if other people hate or love oasis? it's all about you. if they like them, great. if they don't, they don't. shouldn't really matter.
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Post by seymourstein on Jun 19, 2010 11:39:55 GMT -5
The "hip" students I know listen to Coldplay. lol
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Post by globe on Jun 19, 2010 12:14:21 GMT -5
FFS my comments about BHN were not about my personal opinion of the album, the original poster asked "when did it become cool to hate Oasis" and I answered - it was after BHN was released.
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Post by worldsoutro on Jun 19, 2010 19:24:58 GMT -5
While Oasis was underrated in the US, they were overrated in the UK... They made shit music after BHN
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Post by seymourstein on Jun 19, 2010 20:12:42 GMT -5
While Oasis was underrated in the US, they were overrated in the UK... They made shit music after BHN Exactly. They lumbered around like dinosaurs for years, way past their best and with an almost unrecognizable line-up; no wonder they became something of a laughing stock. Especially with the predictable "our best since Definitely Maybe" every 3 years. Unfortunately for Oasis they're currently more likely to be remembered for the poor last 2/3rds of their career than their glory days but time will be kind to them. Same deal with the Stones. Is it still cool to hate them or has it gone full circle again? I can never keep up. Only Led Zep seem to have gone in and out of fashion as many times.
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Post by worldsoutro on Jun 19, 2010 21:00:23 GMT -5
It's ok to be overly confident about your music and Oasis back that up until BHN. While alot here think it may be a good album it didn't go well with the masses nor did the tour to support it. The music scene did change in the late 90's but Oasis were not good enough to stay revelant.
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Post by jrs40 on Jun 20, 2010 3:43:17 GMT -5
While Oasis was underrated in the US, they were overrated in the UK... They made shit music after BHNI wouldn't say it was shit, I just think they went from being an epic band just a above average band. I also think the press had a witch-hunt on them after BHN. I've read countless articles slagging off Oasis that sound completely ignorant in the process. PS: I gave my brother a copy of BHN a month ago (he's not much of a fan), and since then he's become obsessed with it.
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Post by tulster on Jun 20, 2010 3:44:25 GMT -5
While Oasis was underrated in the US, they were overrated in the UK... They made shit music after BHN what the fuk are you on about? if you look at reviews of their albums after BHN, some were average and some were good Oasis were never overated in the UK because they still had it, they still sold out concerts and were still one of the biggest draws that's what it was about, especially from 2000 onwards where Concerts became more of a draw for artists
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Post by worldsoutro on Jun 20, 2010 20:27:13 GMT -5
Oasis were never overated in the UK because they still had it, they still sold out concerts and were still one of the biggest draws You must be joking.. They didn't have "it" after BHN. If they never released their first three albums, no one would care about them.. People go to hear their old stuff not the mediocre-at-best songs
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Post by worldsoutro on Jun 20, 2010 20:32:21 GMT -5
I'am sorry I gotta change my attitude. Oasis is the best band in the world and only released stellar albums/songs. Liam still and will always have the best voice in the history of Rock. Noel is beyond creative with his unique "stealing" of songs.
I also cannot understand the dumbasses who blasts the Gallaghers persona? They're the nicest brothers in the world.
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