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Post by Headmaster on Dec 15, 2014 15:15:22 GMT -5
DOYS Not a hard choice for me... DBTT: -Noel's worst output with Oasis -LAG's best output with Oasis -Painful production (particularly the plodding, incessant drums on the first three tracks) -A Bell Will Ring contains Oasis's worst lyrics -Safe and backwards-looking DOYS: -Some of Noel's best output post-BHN -LAG's stuff is a bit boring but not *bad* IMO -Sardy's best production -Some of Noel's best lyrics -Risky and forward-looking (for an Oasis album) Agree, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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Post by Jailbird on Dec 15, 2014 17:06:50 GMT -5
I've previously stated I clearly prefer DOYS but recently I've been in a DBTT mood. DBTT 'wears out' quicker in my opinion on repeated listens so I'll probably stay away from the album for a while soon enough.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 15, 2014 17:13:08 GMT -5
DBTT only has one song (TMOS) worse than the second part of DOYS, but only one or two as good as the first part of DOYS. And for me, it's always been about the standout tracks, not average song quality. DOYS simply has a couple of amazing singles, the sound is amazing, the whole thing is fresh and different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 17:15:40 GMT -5
Not a fan of comparing material me, I think both albums have their own highs and lows and deserve to stand on their own merits. However, if I to choose one to be stuck with for the rest of my life it'd have to be Dig Out Your Soul, as it has more long term appeal to me. My favourites on DBBT are all songs I don't like listening to over and over.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 15, 2014 17:44:33 GMT -5
I find this amazing that most in this thread are going with DOYS, because I'm pretty sure that album got a bad reception by most on here (not by me, mind, I really like DOYS).
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 15, 2014 17:50:29 GMT -5
Tbh I never really got why DBTT was hailed as an "amazing album".
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 15, 2014 17:53:51 GMT -5
Tbh I never really got why DBTT was hailed as an "amazing album". Anything is amazing, following Heathen Chemistry! Christ. In all seriousness, it was a massive return to form and coincided with the best relations the band have ever had. There was no way in hell I thought Oasis were going to disband only 4 years later. DBTT sparked an Oasis revival before the band imploded.
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Post by Gas Panic on Dec 15, 2014 17:55:21 GMT -5
Tbh I never really got why DBTT was hailed as an "amazing album". Its because its 1000x better than HC as a whole, and certainly more solid than SOTSOG. The best all round album since the glory days of the 90s
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 15, 2014 17:58:57 GMT -5
I'm not looking at it "compared to anything". I'm looking at it as an album standing on itself. I just think it's a bit meh.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 15, 2014 18:01:49 GMT -5
I'm not looking at it "compared to anything". I'm looking at it as an album standing on itself. I just think it's a bit meh. Your face is a bit meh.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 15, 2014 18:09:53 GMT -5
I'm not looking at it "compared to anything". I'm looking at it as an album standing on itself. I just think it's a bit meh. Your face is a bit meh. That's not what you said last night. Besides, your mom was a bit meh.
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Dec 15, 2014 21:04:49 GMT -5
Tbh I never really got why DBTT was hailed as an "amazing album". Its because its 1000x better than HC as a whole, and certainly more solid than SOTSOG. The best all round album since the glory days of the 90s SOTSOG was a much better album. HC had better singles, though I agree it's worse overall. The only thing DBTT has over them is that its worst songs aren't as bad as Little James / Force of Nature. But its "highs" are the lowest of all Oasis albums, which makes it the most boring album in the Oasis catalog. (all IMO obviously)
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Post by carlober on Dec 16, 2014 3:54:00 GMT -5
Tbh I never really got why DBTT was hailed as an "amazing album". Its because its 1000x better than HC as a whole, and certainly more solid than SOTSOG. The best all round album since the glory days of the 90s To be honest I dig SOTSOG quite a lot more than DBTT. Except for Little James (which is fuckin' shite) it's a monster. And I love the mood of it. DBTT has some excellent tracks but also too many crappy songs (mainly by LAG). Production is dull, flat and uninspired, it's like listening to a non-remastered edition of a record from the '60s. Way, way better than HC, but as a whole imho it's inferior to SOTSOG. And maybe to DOYS too (even if Ain't Got Nothing is as bad as Little James, if not worse...)
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Post by MacaRonic on Dec 16, 2014 4:07:51 GMT -5
Anybody else here really like High Horse Lady? I think it's great. On topic, I think most members here are on the ball when comparing both albums. DBTT is very solid from start to finish whilst DOYS is more than solid up until Falling Down but then it tails off. Thinking back to 2005 when DBTT came out a lot of casual listeners and music reviewers were all over The Importance Of Being Idle and hailing it as genius. I remember walking into a Sony shop a few days after it went to no. 1 and it was on a load of flat screen TVs turned up really loud. It was great to see. The song has a lot to do with the album's success.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 16, 2014 4:26:38 GMT -5
I like High Horse Lady. It's not a bad song (nor a great one, but it does the job). The only song I don't like on DOYS is The Nature Of Reality.
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Post by TheEyeballTickler on Dec 16, 2014 4:45:43 GMT -5
I feel like DBTT was a more commercial album with hits like Lyla and TIOBI, while DOYS was more a concept album with a distinctive sound where the band didn't care to reach the masses.
I like both. If I had to choose I'd stick with DOYS as it includes TT and BIU, which are two favourites of mine.
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Post by beentherenow on Dec 16, 2014 6:21:06 GMT -5
DOYS Not a hard choice for me... DBTT: - Noel's worst output with Oasis-LAG's best output with Oasis -Painful production (particularly the plodding, incessant drums on the first three tracks) -A Bell Will Ring contains Oasis's worst lyrics -Safe and backwards-looking DOYS: -Some of Noel's best output post-BHN -LAG's stuff is a bit boring but not *bad* IMO -Sardy's best production -Some of Noel's best lyrics -Risky and forward-looking (for an Oasis album) Noel's worst output was without doubt Heathen Chemistry IMO, He contributed Force of Nature, She is Love and (Probably) All in The Mind. All 3 are utter shite and arguably his worst 3 Oasis songs. I like Mucky Fingers and Part of the Queue and Lyla, The Importance of Being Idol and Let There Be Love arguably make up Oasis best singles package since Be Here Now and 2 went to no1 in the UK charts. I think DOYS has better songs but DBTT is the better album. Side 2 of DOYS really lets the album down. It's not just, not as good as Side 1 but it's awful. FON, SO, AGN are really crap songs. I kind of see what your saying regarding DBTT being safe and backwards looking, as it's undeniably 'retro' and 60's sounding but Oasis hadn't done an album which sounded like it before. Heathen Chemistry was the safest album off the back of SOTSOG because it was MG lite pub rock fodder. DBTT was really refreshing at the time. Im saying that I much prefer the sound of DOYS, I just wish side 2 had the songs because it could have been really special
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 16, 2014 7:23:45 GMT -5
Anybody else here really like High Horse Lady? I think it's great. I have never listened to the album and not found at least one or two of the weaker tracks quite enjoyable - High Horse Lady, Ain't Got Nothing, TNOR, Soldier On...they drag on a little, but none of them is outright terrible.
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Post by Cast on Dec 16, 2014 12:19:00 GMT -5
DBTT: -More consistent album and that may or may not be why some people don't like it -Noel's songwriting revival begins - TIOBI is the last true Oasis classic a 10/10, POTQ is a really great song, MF, LTBL, and Lyla are all good songs. -Liam best songwriting - GGTIA is still my favorite song from him, LLAB is good despite a poor vocal (mix), and TMOS is brief enough -Andy's best Oasis song is on the album TUTS. KTDA is average and boring at its worst. Honestly its just too long -Gem's A Bell Will Ring is weak, should have put Eyeball Tickler on here instead that's his best tune ever in my opinion -I actually really like the sound of DBTT, its kinda got a Rubber Soul vibe going on. It has a nice flow to it as well. KTDA/ABWR is a weak run but LTBL picks up the quality, even if it is a little too plodding in tempo.
Overall a really good album in my opinion, not the most exciting but its really consistent and I'm glad Oasis put an album out like this. This was a more successful and creative back to the basics affair after the failed attempt of HC. That album sounds so faded and lack luster. Literally like they are trying to recreate early Oasis. I'd argue that DBTT is the first Oasis album that really tries to move away from the "classic" Oasis sound. Sure, SOTSOG has a case but there's anthems and bombast on that album. DBTT sounds like a more relaxed and assured band.
DOYS: -Overall has better songs.The first four song run is easily one of the bands strongest. TT, TSOTL are two of their best rockers ever. BIU and WFTR are great songs as well. -The album loses steam after Falling Down. -Sardy's best work with a Gallagher brother in terms of production. -I'm Outta Time is vastly overrated, not bad but I'm not sure I'd even call it a good song. -GOYHHL is vastly underrated. Its a nice album track. -TBWTL is probably my second favorite Gem song. Should have put guitars on it though. A major misstep -AGN and TNOR is a brutal 5 min period. The latter is terrible -SO is Liam's best song on the album. Good but not great.
Overall DOYS is a good album. One that I think loses a lot of people because of its lackluster second half. Like SOTSOG, HC there are some missed opportunities on here considering what the band stashed away. The thing I love about DOYS is it proved Oasis has some balls left in them. They sound like a true rock and roll band again on the album. Considering it was the last Oasis album I'm really glad Noel knocks it out on this one with his songs. He gave Liam some really good songs that perfectly fit his sneer. All six of them hit hard, they're loud, and most importantly they're interesting. The truth to me is that LAG really didn't carry their weight or had good songs to fit the album concept. SO, TBWTL, and IOT range from being good-average. TNOR and AGN are b-sides at best. The first four tracks knock you off your feet, best start to an Oasis album since WTSMG. Track 5-8 is a solid sequence, but a step below the first four songs. 9-11 is pretty bad. SO tries to save it but the damage has been done.
DBTT is the better album but DOYS has more magic moments on it. Honestly its like comparing apples to oranges though.
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Post by carlober on Dec 16, 2014 12:30:02 GMT -5
Anybody else here really like High Horse Lady? I think it's great. I have never listened to the album and not found at least one or two of the weaker tracks quite enjoyable - High Horse Lady, Ain't Got Nothing, TNOR, Soldier On...they drag on a little, but none of them is outright terrible. I quite like High Horse Lady. It fits nicely in the middle of the album, after I'm Outta Time and before Falling Down. It is a bit too long and plodding though. I like Soldier On too, a good ending track. But Ain't Got Nothing and TNOR are atrocious. Awful, awful songs.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Dec 16, 2014 13:04:15 GMT -5
The first 6 songs on DOYS are excellent and flow as well or better than any bar Definitely Maybe. The problems start at TBWTL. It's a good song but it seems like a bit of a damp squib after Falling Down. Someone on here once suggested having it as the opening track, I like the idea of that. Ain't Got Nothing and Nature of Reality are absolute toilet and should have been b-sides. Soldier on is ok but doesn't compare with the first half of the album. DBTT was exactly what was needed when it was released but I struggle with it now. It sounds a bit dated, although it is a far more consistent album. It doesn't match the highs of DOYS although the filler is of a much better quality. I like the sound of DOYS though. I think DOYS has taken the modern day Oasis (Liam, Noel, Gem, Andy) to a new level and is a lot more creative. It wins hands down for me although I can understand why others don't like it. I think DOYS will be appreciated a lot more in years to come. For me, DOYS is a much improved SOTSOG and DBTT is a much improved Heathen Chemistry. This man knows his onions Although if anything DOYS is panned nowadays and DBTT is seen as the post-BHN golden era. I'll add TBWTL to the 'absolute toilet' pile, think I must have been swayed by the live versions which were decent at the time. Cant believe DOYS was 6 years ago and DBTT nearly 10 years ago mind. Still think the same as back then - if you ignore the shit that went on at the time and judge the albums on their merits I think DOYS was potentially excellent but let down by the second half, DBTT was consistently good but doesn't hit the same highs or lows. Quite impressed with the SOTSOG/Heathen Chemistry comparisons
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Post by joladella on Dec 16, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -5
I like them both, but DBTT was what finally transformed me into an Oasis fan, because it was one of those magical albums where I liked each song at first listen. That does not happen too often and those hold a special place in my musical heart. It took me a little longer to get into DOYS.
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Post by Here Comes The Sun King on Dec 18, 2014 8:35:25 GMT -5
I have previously stated i prefered dbtt, but my mind is changing rapidly.
I listened to both albums back to back, and the one that i enjoyed more was DOYS.
Although DBTT, has some standout songs, TUTS, LYLA, TIOBI, mucky fingers (perhaps), it is a chore to listen to the whole way through.
TUTS - good intro, good song, things are looking good after the nightmare of HC
mucky fingers - i like the repitition in this song, and similarly to Columbia, the fact it doesn't go anywhere musically is a positive. I like the lyrics, although noels vocals aren't the best. But still an alright tune.
Lyla - at this point, i am pretty satisfied with the album, a rock tune with a sing aloud chorus, this is a good song.
LLAB - never got into this, dont know why i find it a bit boring, and not keen on liams vocals.
TIOBI - one of their best songs since BHN. great guitar lines, lyrics, vocals. This album is promising
TMOS - thank god this isn't longer. Boring, and sounds like it was written in 10 minutes. Dont like it at all. It sounds like it wants to be a rocker, but acoustic guitars are here. Never understood that.
GGTIA - this is the first in a line of songs i dont like. This is a meh song. I find it to be boring, and never clicked with it. More acoustics aswell
POTQ - moreeee acoustics. Cmon this is getting a little tiresome now. Again, not keen on noels vocals.
KTDA - ffs, where are the pounding rock tunes, we all want to here. This is a cliche snoozefest from Andy bell
ABWR - nice intro, but had lyrics, and again nothing special
LBBL - nice closer, but its too little too late. Great lyrics, but it doesn't break any moulds for oasis.
Tracks 6-10, really killed my interest after a good first half. Too boring, what happened to the rock n roll tunes we all want. Replaced by acoustic strummers with average vocals and average lyrics.
DOYS:
Bag it up - good stomping rocker to start, i like where this is heading.
The turning - again im liking the drive. Good lyrics aswell
WFTR - one of my fave post-2000 songs. Like the foot stomping verse guitar lines, and the chorus aswell. Noel is on top form with the vocals.
TSOTL - this is what I'm on about. The new found energy after two records that were predominantly dirges. Love it.
IOT - liams best song. Nice almost psychedelic feel with the chorus falsetto, and verses. This is a needed break from 4 big rockers.
GOYHHL - not good, not bad, nice relaxing listen, can be a bit boring after a while
FD - wow. This blew my mind. Up there with gas panic, and tiobi for best Mk. II song for me. Gorgeous lyrics, and psychedelic feel
TBWTL - this one reminds me of within you without you. Indian feel, good live song as well.
AGN - slightly improved TMOS. Needed though after a string of slower songs.
TNOR - oh dear . Really bad.
Soldier on - a bit boring tbh.
Not the best second half, but the first 5 songs and FD, are some of their best post-BHN songs.
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