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Post by bankrobber on Jun 18, 2009 2:55:59 GMT -5
Get some rules on this bloody forum
I'm sick of people taking about such things as drugs etc
I'm sick of the 'bullying' that occurs when someone creates a thread and people REALLY get at them for it
I may dissagree with some people but thats the point of a forum, a forum isnt for these things
we have young kids on this forum and when people talk like this and mentioning drugs etc it is highly innappropriate
some other forums I am on have clear rules about such things and it should be the same on here
enough of the tossers who talk drugs - lowlife's in my book
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2009 3:01:22 GMT -5
if you think this place is bad try inet, everytime you start a thread that doesnt trash DOYS or take the piss out of liams voice you get your bolloks torn off from the 100+ trolls on there. just be thankful they diddn't migrate onto here while inet was down.
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Post by bankrobber on Jun 18, 2009 3:10:57 GMT -5
i think some of them did lol
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Post by Soldier Ron on Jun 18, 2009 3:23:06 GMT -5
I don't know if this is meant to be a serious thread or not but anyway here goes.
I don't take 'em or endorse 'em, but drugs were central to the story of Oasis.
You may not have noticed but Oasis lyrics have deliberate drug references are you suggesting we should all pretend they never wrote them?
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 18, 2009 3:26:40 GMT -5
enough of the tossers who talk drugs - lowlife's in my book ------------------------------------------------- How about no talkin about sex & alcohol too? + Every hosted picture of females must be with a black veil!
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Post by LlAM on Jun 18, 2009 3:26:53 GMT -5
I have to disagree. We live in a free World, people should be able to say whatever they want regarding drugs, sex, whatever. If youngsters are badly influenced on Internet forums, it's their parents responsability to do something about it - not mine.
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Post by bankrobber on Jun 18, 2009 4:18:33 GMT -5
not really, drugs is the main point for me here, having lived around them, had mates go to prison because of them, had neighbour drug dealers who've had their house torched with kids inside
not disregarding Oasis at all, that's who they were and to point out - they have got out of that
I'm getting at those who endorse drug use - the forum HAS to be better monitored
those people who say it's not their fault it's the parents - fucking hell wise up people - kids always find a way of doing things behind their parents back - so those comments are stupid/uneducated comments
as a former childrens football coach, informing kids about the risks etc is vital and we can all help in doing this by NOT ENDORSING THEIR USE.
Getting abit serious i know but hey
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 4:33:20 GMT -5
I agree with the general premise, but I also agree with everyone who says that drugs are an integral part of Oasis - without them we wouldn't have had BHN, that's for certain, if not DM or WTSMG, nor would we have had SOTSOG (as that album was dark due to coming off of drugs, amongst other things).... Furthermore, I think the youngest member on here is "Protector" and he's what? 16 or so? Most of us seem to range from 18-30, we're all legally adults, and no one has ever advocated or pressured anyone to use any substance, so I see no harm in mentioning. On a side note, while I don't endorse drug use, I think the drug war and prohibition has failed, people should be able to do what they want with their own body as long as its not damaging anyone else, alcohol is one of the worst drugs, and its legal, regulation and decriminalization is a much safer approach to pushing it underground, our prisons are already filled why keep putting non-violent drug users in them?, and rehabilition is the smarter option for addiction than punitive measures - you don't put an alcoholic in jail just because he's an alcoholic, so why would you put someone who's addicted to heroin, or whatever in jail? Put that in your pipe and smoke it
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 4:34:19 GMT -5
I have to disagree. We live in a free World, people should be able to say whatever they want regarding drugs, sex, whatever. If youngsters are badly influenced on Internet forums, it's their parents responsability to do something about it - not mine. This. not really, drugs is the main point for me here, having lived around them, had mates go to prison because of them, had neighbour drug dealers who've had their house torched with kids inside not disregarding Oasis at all, that's who they were and to point out - they have got out of that I'm getting at those who endorse drug use - the forum HAS to be better monitored those people who say it's not their fault it's the parents - fucking hell wise up people - kids always find a way of doing things behind their parents back - so those comments are stupid/uneducated comments as a former childrens football coach, informing kids about the risks etc is vital and we can all help in doing this by NOT ENDORSING THEIR USE. Getting abit serious i know but hey NOT this. Your point is only valid if the posts were like: "Hey Junior, I think you should try [Insert Substance Here] because it does X,Y,Z. You can get it here: [Insert the street name of a dark allyway], from [Insert shaddy dealer name]". Your point remains invalid because no one has ever created a post saying that. Ok, occasionaly a member will be like "Yeah I love to listen to BHN high". So what? That's his preference, he's not influencing anyone. Or we may talk about the failed war on drugs in the UT Section. So what? That's a political issue worth discussing! Or we may talk about how Oasis used drugs, how it influenced them, how it impacted their songs/albums, and the lyrical content. So what? That's about Oasis, and this is an Oasis forum! LLAM is EXACTLY right.
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Post by bankrobber on Jun 18, 2009 4:38:22 GMT -5
good points, but again an attitude which seems to take drugs likely, letting people do what they want to their own bodies is plausable but i think everyone on here will probably see those who live in their area and are obvious drug users - they look a complete mess and could possibly die young or lead fruitless lives ... what is the point in that?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 4:49:22 GMT -5
good points, but again an attitude which seems to take drugs likely, letting people do what they want to their own bodies is plausable but i think everyone on here will probably see those who live in their area and are obvious drug users - they look a complete mess and could possibly die young or lead fruitless lives ... what is the point in that? See, now we're about to degenerate into a political discusion (one that belongs in UT mind) How many of us use alcohol? That's a drug. A very addictive and harmful drug if abused. And we're all aware of that, I'm sure we all know at least 1 person who suffers/suffered from addiction, and we all def. see the negative effects around us. Now take "alcohol" and replace it with "weed". - Some people on here use it, and I bet they are happy with their lives, despite seeing the negative effects it can cause on society. etc etc Furthermore, I don't mean this to sound as harsh as it will, but who are you to judge if its pointless to die young? Part of me would rather live to 60 and experience things and take risks for the sake of fun than live to 90 with a straight edge, perfectly healthy lifestyle where I may negate some fun activies just to put years onto my life. My point? We all have different preferences. You may think it's pointless for a drug user to take drugs and die young, but that user may rather have fun partaking in this activity and would rather have fun like this than live long. Lastly, cars are dangerous, we don't ban them? - They're a neccessity, ok, not the best analogy.... ...however.... Sky Diving is a danger and a solid analogy to drugs: It's risky, you could die, and you do it all for that "rush", but it remains fine to do. War on drugs is about federal money, it's not about society's safety. If it was truly about concern for its citizens drugs would be regulated (like alcohol) and taught to older-teens in High School how to use it responsibility IF they so chose to. The illegality of drugs is what makes them dangerous.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 18, 2009 4:49:29 GMT -5
good points, but again an attitude which seems to take drugs likely, letting people do what they want to their own bodies is plausable but i think everyone on here will probably see those who live in their area and are obvious drug users - they look a complete mess and could possibly die young or lead fruitless lives ... what is the point in that? Where the hell do you live in the UK? Are you saying that every drug taker leads a fruitless life? Most people only use drugs in a recreational situation and moderately at that. You really should go to inet if this kind of stuff offends you. Forums should be about freedom.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 4:51:39 GMT -5
Sorry for the thread hijack, although i do find it ironic how a "lets not talk about drugs" became a discussion about them! Ok, I'm done with my hijack, over to the rest of the forum....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 4:52:13 GMT -5
good points, but again an attitude which seems to take drugs likely, letting people do what they want to their own bodies is plausable but i think everyone on here will probably see those who live in their area and are obvious drug users - they look a complete mess and could possibly die young or lead fruitless lives ... what is the point in that? Where the hell do you live in the UK? Are you saying that every drug taker leads a fruitless life? Most people only use drugs in a recreational situation and moderately at that. You really should go to inet if this kind of stuff offends you. Forums should be about freedom. That's the exact point i was trying to make but you said it much better, cheers.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 18, 2009 4:53:26 GMT -5
Cigarettes andAlcohol kill more in the uk than any other drug.
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 18, 2009 4:55:56 GMT -5
as a former childrens football coach, informing kids about the risks etc is vital and we can all help in doing this by NOT ENDORSING THEIR USE. This is where i started thinkin u might be takin the piss. Anyway, if u are serious, then youre unrealistic. 1. i find it hard to believe that some kid would go and sniff coke because *some guy on an oasis fans forum said he likes being high*. 2. if there is such a dumb kid, then if he wont hear about it here, he'll hear about it somewhere else (most likely 2-3 steps from his HOME). We have 0 influence in this subject, no need in changing anything, youre being naive (tho i must say again, i suspect youre just takin the piss)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 5:00:41 GMT -5
Cigarettes andAlcohol kill more in the uk than any other drug. Yup. Weed kills virtually no one (although I think that's debatable), Ecstacy kills about 30 per yer, and that's with 500,000-1million users+ (And due mainly to dyhration, water intoxication, or it being laced with something - all of which would be remidied through both education and government regulation). No drug is safe. Even the OTC Meds or prescription drugs. Fact is, many illegal drugs are safer than current legals once. Based on today's society, if alcohol was just discovered, it would be a Class A drug, get your head around that. Basically: For the most part, baring extreme circumstances, the drug argument can be won by citing Alcohol and Cigarettes - as long as they are legal, the less harmful stuff should be made legal, too. Furthermore, prohibition failed in the 1920s, so why would it succeed now - in a much more free, liberal, loosen society?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 5:04:41 GMT -5
Oh, and I've held this view point for years now: within our life time (next 20-50 years), drugs such as Ecstacy and Weed will be legal and regulated. We're seeing that progression even now with leading political officials - Ron Paul advocates such a stance, Obama has backed slightly away from the drug war, and other Congressmen support it too. Of course, it will be a liberal president who eventually implements it, and that's fine with, cos it needs to be done (I'm a moderate when it comes to social policies, and a conservative with foreign policies - see, i'm not all bad! )
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Post by bankrobber on Jun 18, 2009 5:15:33 GMT -5
nah bad attitudes people, i think you're missing the point
as someone who has learned about how such things can affect people, it can be people who simply mention it that provokes a person into trying it, doesnt matter what type of drug it is, a drugs a drug, there's no escaping their impact etc
comparing harder drugs to alcohol is again an uneducated view, totally different surroundings. Drug use leads to crime, crime leads to drug use, and for a shit society as in some places in the UK thats a major problem
I am someone who has coached children and has learned that children need protected, i did read on here that a forum member was just 13 - so people SHOULD think about what they say - even non-members are gonna be similar ages - thats why i feel the forum needs to be monitored better
others forums have great rules that state all the above - no refering to drugs, etc
i dont give a shit that Oasis took them so it's ok to talk about them, that's just stupid
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Post by LlAM on Jun 18, 2009 5:33:53 GMT -5
You're barking up the wrong tree mate. If someone's gonna try drugs after reading something drug related here, they're most likely gonna try drugs anyway at some point. Social heratege and bad parenting is what you need to focus on.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 6:02:51 GMT -5
nah bad attitudes people, i think you're missing the point as someone who has learned about how such things can affect people, it can be people who simply mention it that provokes a person into trying it, doesnt matter what type of drug it is, a drugs a drug, there's no escaping their impact etc comparing harder drugs to alcohol is again an uneducated view, totally different surroundings. Drug use leads to crime, crime leads to drug use, and for a shit society as in some places in the UK thats a major problem I am someone who has coached children and has learned that children need protected, i did read on here that a forum member was just 13 - so people SHOULD think about what they say - even non-members are gonna be similar ages - thats why i feel the forum needs to be monitored better others forums have great rules that state all the above - no refering to drugs, etc i dont give a shit that Oasis took them so it's ok to talk about them, that's just stupid *Bangs head against the wall* DRUGS LEAD TO CRIME BECAUSE DRUGS ARE ILLEGALI wish people would learn from 1.) the failed prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s 2.) looking at society today and realizing that tax payers are paying money for a program - War on Drugs - that has been a complete and utter failure for the last 30-40 years. And you're whole "If they read it on an Oasis forum they could be influenced" point is just wrong - Growing up, I knew what drugs were. By the time you hit 13 or 14 you have "Issues" (maybe known as "Sex Ed/Health Classes" in other schools, where we were educated on the dangers of drugs. In 5th grade, when we were 10, we focused on the effects of peer pressure. My point? If raised correctly and educated well, you're not going to be influenced other than anything but yourself. If you're not raised correctly, that's the fault of society, education, and/or parenting upbringing and if a person of this nature is going to try drugs they'd do it regardless of if it was discussed on an Oasis forum or not. My point? I don't think anyone really would be 100% influenced because they saw a drug reference on an Oasis forum. As pointed above, no one reading it would be like "Oh, good idea, let me try glue now!" Furthermore, since no one is directly advocating it, no ones doing any harm. I'd hate to see how you'd raise your children if you adopted this stance: You wouldn't talk to them about drugs, nor sex, nor violence, nor anything "bad", "immoral", or "improper" in an attempt to shield them - but reality is, they'll get the informaiton one way or another and it's better they get information from responsible people.... ....And any drug talk that's been on here HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE. This is a forum, this is where we come and share ideas and generate discussions that we can all agree OR disagree with. To ban something because YOU don't like the topic is wrong and not upholding of what our ancestors fought for.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2009 6:07:22 GMT -5
Question for Bankrobber: Do you think the song Cigarettes and Alcohol should be banned, too?
Probably not. BUT ANY OASIS FAN HAS HEARD THAT SONG, NO MATTER WHAT AGE, AND THAT DIRECTLY ADVOCATES DRUG USE("You might as well do the white line....All I need are Cigarettes and Alcohol")
Checkmate.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 18, 2009 6:15:02 GMT -5
nah bad attitudes people, i think you're missing the point as someone who has learned about how such things can affect people, it can be people who simply mention it that provokes a person into trying it, doesnt matter what type of drug it is, a drugs a drug, there's no escaping their impact etc comparing harder drugs to alcohol is again an uneducated view, totally different surroundings. Drug use leads to crime, crime leads to drug use, and for a shit society as in some places in the UK thats a major problem Your living in dream land mate, have you not noticed the major problem the UK has every friday and saturday night in every town and city across the country? And to suggest that alcohol and alcoholism doesn't lead to crime is utterly insane. Comparing alcohol to harder drugs is a comparison that should be mad more often, its alcohol that puts enormous pressure on our national health service and police resources.
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Post by matt on Jun 18, 2009 7:22:42 GMT -5
Mentioning of drugs shouldn't be banned on the site but the endorsement of drugs should. However, the biggest problem with this site is with the members who bully others or use foul language towards them simply because there is a difference of opinion. Hell, I was told to 're-evaluate' my 'fucking life' simply because someone didn't agree with my opinions on DOYS. I could write a list as long as my arm to name and shame the total c*nts on this website.
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Post by webm@ster on Jun 18, 2009 8:22:09 GMT -5
Get some rules on this bloody forum I'm sick of people taking about such things as drugs etc I'm sick of the 'bullying' that occurs when someone creates a thread and people REALLY get at them for it I may dissagree with some people but thats the point of a forum, a forum isnt for these things we have young kids on this forum and when people talk like this and mentioning drugs etc it is highly innappropriate some other forums I am on have clear rules about such things and it should be the same on here enough of the tossers who talk drugs - lowlife's in my book I don't condone drug talk , drug use, drug sale and many other things in life. Can I close down a forum because of drug posts? , probably not. I will be glad to look at posts forwarded to me for it's content but can't dedicate my life to being present on here 24/7. My mods are doing all they can and whenever they get a bit tough with issues on hand complaints and name calling starts....guess you can't make everyone happy. thanks for your input
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