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Post by eva on Jun 1, 2009 14:01:40 GMT -5
An Air France plane carrying 228 people from Brazil to France has vanished over the Atlantic after flying into turbulence, airline officials say. The Airbus sent an automatic message at 0214 GMT, four hours after leaving Rio de Janeiro, reporting a short circuit. It may have been damaged by lightning. It was well over the ocean when it was lost, making Brazilian and French search planes' task more difficult. France's president said the chances of finding survivors were "very small". "It is a catastrophe the likes of which Air France has never seen," Nicolas Sarkozy said after meeting relatives and friends of passengers at a crisis centre at Charles de Gaulle airport. Earlier, Air France chief executive Pierre-Henri Gourgeon told reporters: "We are without a doubt faced with an air disaster." He added: "The entire company is thinking of the families and shares their pain." Flight AF 447 left Rio at 1900 local time (2200 GMT) on Sunday. It had 216 passengers and 12 crew on board, including three pilots. The passengers included one infant, seven children, 82 women and 126 men. Air France confirmed that there had been 61 French and 58 Brazilians on board. Among the other passengers were 26 Germans, nine Chinese, nine Italians, six Swiss, five Britons, five Lebanese, four Hungarians, three Irish, three Norwegians and three Slovaks. Lightning theory doubts The Airbus 330-200 had been expected to arrive in Paris at 1110 local time (0910 GMT). It made its last radio contact at 0133 GMT (2233 Brazilian time) when it was 565km (360m) off Brazil's north-eastern coast, Brazil's air force said. The crew said they were planning to enter Senegalese airspace at 0220 GMT and that the plane was flying normally at an altitude of 10,670m (35,000ft). At 0220, when Brazilian air traffic controllers saw the plane had not made its required radio call from Senegalese airspace, air traffic control in the Senegalese capital was contacted. At 0530 GMT, Brazil's air force launched a search-and-rescue mission, sending out a coast guard patrol plane and a specialised air force rescue aircraft. France is despatching three search planes based in Dakar, Senegal, and has asked the US to help with satellite technology. "The plane might have been struck by lightning - it's a possibility," Francois Brousse, head of communications at Air France, told reporters in Paris. full article news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8076848.stm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 14:10:04 GMT -5
awful news
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Post by NYR on Jun 2, 2009 1:42:12 GMT -5
absolutely terrible. i feel for the families and loved ones of those on the plane. i can't imagine what they've been going through since they found out about what happened...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 2, 2009 22:13:12 GMT -5
Looks like it was a bomb....not a certainty yet, but one has to wonder: momento24.com/en/2009/05/27/bomb-threat-on-air-france-flight/27th of May: The airport safety delayed an Air France flight this evening before departring for Paris immediately after the company received a bomb threat over the phone at the airport of Ezeiza. The Federal Police, along the Firemen’s direction and the Airport’s Safety proceeded to inspect the plane, that arrived this morning from the French city and, after a brief stop, it was preparing to return. The routine procedure lasted approximately one hour and a half and, as sources of the airport reported all the passengers are ok and they were not evacuated.
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Post by thechemist on Jun 3, 2009 2:18:41 GMT -5
I'll bet you anything the frickin' ragheads did it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2009 2:47:19 GMT -5
I'll bet you anything the frickin' ragheads did it. Dude, with all due respect, that's fucking racist. If it was a bomb, sure it points to islamic EXTREMISTS (but that's not even a certainty). But even if that's true, not all "ragheads" (mind you, how derogatory is that!) are terrorists. I hate religion. 1.) We live in a society where everything must be proven before we accept it, why should religion be any different? There's no proof of God what so ever 2.) Religion causes more problems than good Mind you, if people want to believe in God for personal comfort, then credit to them, whatever makes people feel better like that is fine, even though I don't believe in it. But it's when the MINORITY of the religious NUTS use it to kill people is what's wrong. Islam isn't the problem, it's the idiots who twist the religion to try and justify their murderous actions - and it's only liberals - for the most part - who believe their excuses: "Oh if we pull out from every country they will stop killing us"...."If we stop torturing, albeit the 3 terrorists we waterboarding, they'd stop killing us" is BOLLOCKS and SO NAIVE. Obama is an idiot. Bush's policies WORKED. We were kept safe since 9/11: FACT Obama claims that if we stop "torturing" etc, we'd be safer: THEORY (Yet to be proven) He's an idiot bc he's risking thousands of lives for something that isn't proven. "Don't break what's not broken". If a terrorist attack happens in 3 years, it's Obamas fault. 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault bc Clinton did fuck all and Bush did alot after the fact. Obama would be blamed for reversing such policies and making us as vulernable as prior to 9/11 A terrorist attack before 2012 means goodbye to re-election and hello to a GOP president...now I'm not hoping for an attack and for thousands to die....but i wouldnt be surprised. Obama is one huge fuck up, and you're all fucking delusional for voting him in bc he can speak well.....he deceived you all.
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Jun 3, 2009 6:19:40 GMT -5
I'll bet you anything the frickin' ragheads did it. Dude, with all due respect, that's fucking racist. And they say Yanks don't get irony...
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Post by eva on Jun 3, 2009 6:57:10 GMT -5
NL4E, do you have to turn everything in to your little anti-Obama crusade? first of all, there are no signs whatsoever of a terrorist attack. that link you posted is a joke. plus, no one jumped in to claim the attack, isn't that their thing? what's the point of making a plane crash and scattered its remains in the ocean without anyone knowing they did it and why they did it? and until they find the black box, there's no way of telling exactly what happened. if you look at the satellite images, there was a really nasty storm, what may have damaged the electric controls of the plane causing it to crash or may have started a fire causing an explosion
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 3, 2009 7:39:18 GMT -5
I'll bet you anything the frickin' ragheads did it. 1.) We live in a society where everything must be proven before we accept it... except the fact that you are throwing people into your little concentration camp without prooven guilty, eh? Islam isn't the problem, it's the idiots who twist the religion to try and justify their murderous actions - and it's only liberals - for the most part - who believe their excuses: "Oh if we pull out from every country they will stop killing us"...."If we stop torturing, albeit the 3 terrorists we waterboarding, they'd stop killing us" is BOLLOCKS and SO NAIVE. stupid point. the hatred is the problem. the problem is that so many people hate the us and are willing to support the terrorists. if you get bombed every day, live a shit life in an occupied country fearing experiencing injustice every day. what else do you have then besides your belief in god? if you want to stop terrorism you have to stop the hate. what you don't understand is your tactical disadvantage compared to the terrorists. if you fight them with guns and bombs they'll always win, cause their support among the people will become bigger and bigger. fighting terrorism is all about winning peoples hearts and minds - AQ understands that very well. and george bush monumentally failed in that point! it was his politics that made people hate the united states. and besides that i think it's unethical and arrogant to think that you're allowed to do everything to innocent people just to save your arse. but arrogance seems to be a major subject in your uni anyway.
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Post by matt on Jun 3, 2009 7:55:07 GMT -5
I'll bet you anything the frickin' ragheads did it. Dude, with all due respect, that's fucking racist. If it was a bomb, sure it points to islamic EXTREMISTS (but that's not even a certainty). But even if that's true, not all "ragheads" (mind you, how derogatory is that!) are terrorists. I hate religion. 1.) We live in a society where everything must be proven before we accept it, why should religion be any different? There's no proof of God what so ever 2.) Religion causes more problems than good Mind you, if people want to believe in God for personal comfort, then credit to them, whatever makes people feel better like that is fine, even though I don't believe in it. But it's when the MINORITY of the religious NUTS use it to kill people is what's wrong. Islam isn't the problem, it's the idiots who twist the religion to try and justify their murderous actions - and it's only liberals - for the most part - who believe their excuses: "Oh if we pull out from every country they will stop killing us"...."If we stop torturing, albeit the 3 terrorists we waterboarding, they'd stop killing us" is BOLLOCKS and SO NAIVE. Obama is an idiot. Bush's policies WORKED. We were kept safe since 9/11: FACT Obama claims that if we stop "torturing" etc, we'd be safer: THEORY (Yet to be proven) He's an idiot bc he's risking thousands of lives for something that isn't proven. "Don't break what's not broken". If a terrorist attack happens in 3 years, it's Obamas fault. 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault bc Clinton did fuck all and Bush did alot after the fact. Obama would be blamed for reversing such policies and making us as vulernable as prior to 9/11 A terrorist attack before 2012 means goodbye to re-election and hello to a GOP president...now I'm not hoping for an attack and for thousands to die....but i wouldnt be surprised. Obama is one huge fuck up, and you're all fucking delusional for voting him in bc he can speak well.....he deceived you all. It's terrible tragic news. Really feel for all victims families. Terribly sad. As for NL4E, you can't judge Obama after he's only been in office for a few bloody months. Fucks sake.
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Post by thechemist on Jun 3, 2009 8:07:36 GMT -5
Actually, the camel jockeys (since "ragheads" is so "racist") DON'T always claim responsibility. To this day al Quida publicly doesn't claim responsibility for 9/11. They are known for NOT claiming responsibility. Dead white people is their goal, not infamy.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2009 11:05:39 GMT -5
1.) We live in a society where everything must be proven before we accept it... except the fact that you are throwing people into your little concentration camp without prooven guilty, eh? Islam isn't the problem, it's the idiots who twist the religion to try and justify their murderous actions - and it's only liberals - for the most part - who believe their excuses: "Oh if we pull out from every country they will stop killing us"...."If we stop torturing, albeit the 3 terrorists we waterboarding, they'd stop killing us" is BOLLOCKS and SO NAIVE. stupid point. the hatred is the problem. the problem is that so many people hate the us and are willing to support the terrorists. if you get bombed every day, live a shit life in an occupied country fearing experiencing injustice every day. what else do you have then besides your belief in god? if you want to stop terrorism you have to stop the hate. what you don't understand is your tactical disadvantage compared to the terrorists. if you fight them with guns and bombs they'll always win, cause their support among the people will become bigger and bigger. fighting terrorism is all about winning peoples hearts and minds - AQ understands that very well. and george bush monumentally failed in that point! it was his politics that made people hate the united states. and besides that i think it's unethical and arrogant to think that you're allowed to do everything to innocent people just to save your arse. but arrogance seems to be a major subject in your uni anyway. Well Bin Laden hasn't changed despite what Obama claims he's doing to do, this from the fucker himself today: Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden warned Americans "to be prepared to receive the consequences of the Obama and Bush administrations." In a new recorded audiotape aired by Arabic Al Jazeera TV Wednesday, June 3 - as Saudi king Abdullah greeted US president Barack Obama on his arrival in Riyadh - bin Laden said Obama had planted the seeds for "revenge and hatred" toward the United States in the Muslim world. The warning was issued the day before the US president was to deliver a speech to Muslims from Cairo. Tuesday, bin Laden's deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, called on Egyptians to confront the "criminal" Barack Obama whose "bloody messages" to Muslims have been received… and would not be covered by "public relations campaigns or theatrical visits or polished words." Zawahiri called the US president "that criminal who came seeking with deception to obtain what he failed to achieve on the ground after the mujahidin ruined the project of Crusader American in Iraq Afghanistan and Somalia." Also on June 3, it was discovered that Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb had on May 31 put to death in Mali Edwin Dyer, a Briton taken hostage in Niger near the Mali border with a Swiss citizen and two other tourists. Al Qaeda had demanded the release of the Jordanian-born Palestinian terrorist Abu Qatada, who is waiting in a British prison for extradition to Jordan where he received a jail sentence in absentia for terror. A Spanish judge has identified Abu Qatada al Qaeda's top lieutenant in Europe. ---- If they stop killing us, we stop killing them. Simple. We stop killing them, they continue to kill us. If you believe in their justifications, you'rre SO naive. Look at Spain, they pulled out of Iraq and are still targets. AQ bombs places around the world that aren't even involved with the US. It's a clash of ideology and religion, nothing more. Furthermore, terrorists use other things to justify their acts, but they know they need no justification - they will kill us until we convert to Islam, just as the communists desired everyone to be one of them. But go on, believe what you want, no matter how absurd it is.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2009 12:43:43 GMT -5
This administration is so arrogant is sicking:
The White House said Wednesday that Al-Qaeda was trying to distract the Muslim world from President Barack Obama's "historic" outreach effort, with the release of a new Osama bin Laden tape.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 3, 2009 18:37:28 GMT -5
except the fact that you are throwing people into your little concentration camp without prooven guilty, eh? stupid point. the hatred is the problem. the problem is that so many people hate the us and are willing to support the terrorists. if you get bombed every day, live a shit life in an occupied country fearing experiencing injustice every day. what else do you have then besides your belief in god? if you want to stop terrorism you have to stop the hate. what you don't understand is your tactical disadvantage compared to the terrorists. if you fight them with guns and bombs they'll always win, cause their support among the people will become bigger and bigger. fighting terrorism is all about winning peoples hearts and minds - AQ understands that very well. and george bush monumentally failed in that point! it was his politics that made people hate the united states. and besides that i think it's unethical and arrogant to think that you're allowed to do everything to innocent people just to save your arse. but arrogance seems to be a major subject in your uni anyway. Well Bin Laden hasn't changed ... bin laden isn't the problem. it's his supporters! as long as we deliver the moral legimitation for his attacks we will never stop him. a war in a different country, against a morally stable enemy with support among the people is lost. lesson number one.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 3, 2009 18:42:37 GMT -5
This administration is so arrogant is sicking: The White House said Wednesday that Al-Qaeda was trying to distract the Muslim world from President Barack Obama's "historic" outreach effort, with the release of a new Osama bin Laden tape. correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't it you who indicated that the tape released prior to the us elections was intended to influence the elections to obamas advantage? cause they thought he would be weaker an stuff... so how is that arrogant?
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Post by NYR on Jun 3, 2009 20:15:53 GMT -5
This administration is so arrogant is sicking: The White House said Wednesday that Al-Qaeda was trying to distract the Muslim world from President Barack Obama's "historic" outreach effort, with the release of a new Osama bin Laden tape. nice way to hijack (get it? ) a thread about these poor people into one of your many, many diatribes about obama... all the while not realizing the incredible irony in most of your anti-obama statements.
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Post by masterplan200 on Jun 4, 2009 1:26:21 GMT -5
1)This was not a terror attack 2) I still think the weather was to blame
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 10, 2009 14:03:16 GMT -5
1)This was not a terror attack 2) I still think the weather was to blame Terrorism is looking more and more likely: Terror Names Linked to Doomed Flight Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447 3:58pm UK, Wednesday June 10, 2009 Peter Allen, in Paris Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged. Air France debris on board a Brazilian Navy vessel Debris from Air France flight AF 447 has been recovered from the Atlantic French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31. Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm. While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out. Air France Crash Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil. It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic. A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant". Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections. There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously". France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan. Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the US on September 11, 2001. news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Terror-Names-Linked-To-Doomed-Flight-AF-447-Two-Passengers-Shared-Names-Of-Radical-Muslims/Article/200906215300405?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15300405_Terror_Names_Linked_To_Doomed_Flight_AF_447%3A_Two_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_Muslims
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Post by NYR on Jun 10, 2009 14:42:32 GMT -5
i would like to know if l4e thinks that the birds that took that plane down in the hudson river was secretly hired by terrorists...
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Post by globe on Jun 10, 2009 14:42:50 GMT -5
1)This was not a terror attack 2) I still think the weather was to blame Terrorism is looking more and more likely: Terror Names Linked to Doomed Flight Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447 3:58pm UK, Wednesday June 10, 2009 Peter Allen, in Paris Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged. Air France debris on board a Brazilian Navy vessel Debris from Air France flight AF 447 has been recovered from the Atlantic French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31. Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm. While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out. Air France Crash Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil. It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic. A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant". Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections. There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously". France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan. Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the US on September 11, 2001. news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Terror-Names-Linked-To-Doomed-Flight-AF-447-Two-Passengers-Shared-Names-Of-Radical-Muslims/Article/200906215300405?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15300405_Terror_Names_Linked_To_Doomed_Flight_AF_447%3A_Two_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_MuslimsYou are just dying for this to be a terrosist attack arent you? Prick.
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Post by NYR on Jun 10, 2009 14:59:00 GMT -5
yes, he is. he wants more terrorism just to prove his point. he has said in the past that he wants our president to fail, and more than likely wants more attacks here and abroad to prove that obama is a bad president.
it's beyond disgusting... it's the sign of a mentally disturbed man. it sickens me. apparently this is no more than a game to him. it's just a talking point. my father did not die for this, and neither did any of the other victims of terrorism.
shame on you, l4e.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 10, 2009 15:58:21 GMT -5
1)This was not a terror attack 2) I still think the weather was to blame Terrorism is looking more and more likely: Terror Names Linked to Doomed Flight Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447 3:58pm UK, Wednesday June 10, 2009 Peter Allen, in Paris Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged. Air France debris on board a Brazilian Navy vessel Debris from Air France flight AF 447 has been recovered from the Atlantic French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31. Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm. While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out. Air France Crash Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil. It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic. A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant". Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections. There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously". France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan. Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the US on September 11, 2001. news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Terror-Names-Linked-To-Doomed-Flight-AF-447-Two-Passengers-Shared-Names-Of-Radical-Muslims/Article/200906215300405?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15300405_Terror_Names_Linked_To_Doomed_Flight_AF_447%3A_Two_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_Muslimsyou are missing one point: where is the group that is claiming this attack? where is the video that says: we took the plane down for the great allah you nasty infidels... what sense does it make to bring down a plane and then not make one single statement? right. none at all. i think you want it to be a terrorist attack, cause you can blame it on obama then... you are a really sick guy!
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Post by thechemist on Jun 10, 2009 19:58:20 GMT -5
Al Quada doesn't claim responsibility for their attacks. Their goal is to kill, not take credit for killing. They still haven't admitted responsibility for 9/11.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 11, 2009 6:19:16 GMT -5
Terrorism is looking more and more likely: Terror Names Linked to Doomed Flight Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447 3:58pm UK, Wednesday June 10, 2009 Peter Allen, in Paris Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged. Air France debris on board a Brazilian Navy vessel Debris from Air France flight AF 447 has been recovered from the Atlantic French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31. Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm. While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out. Air France Crash Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil. It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic. A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant". Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections. There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously". France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan. Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the US on September 11, 2001. news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Terror-Names-Linked-To-Doomed-Flight-AF-447-Two-Passengers-Shared-Names-Of-Radical-Muslims/Article/200906215300405?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15300405_Terror_Names_Linked_To_Doomed_Flight_AF_447%3A_Two_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_MuslimsYou are just dying for this to be a terrosist attack arent you? Prick. I don't really care what it is because knowing what happened doesn't bring back those people from the dead, does it? But from preventing it again its essential to see what, if any, technical problems occurred AND/OR how terrorists sabotaged or smuggled a bomb aboard the plane.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 11, 2009 6:22:35 GMT -5
yes, he is. he wants more terrorism just to prove his point. he has said in the past that he wants our president to fail, and more than likely wants more attacks here and abroad to prove that obama is a bad president. it's beyond disgusting... it's the sign of a mentally disturbed man. it sickens me. apparently this is no more than a game to him. it's just a talking point. my father did not die for this, and neither did any of the other victims of terrorism. shame on you, l4e. The lack of your intellectual capacity sickens me. Of course I want Obama to fail because I don't want his liberal ideals to succeed, they go against my belief system! Now, with that said, nor do I want thousands of people to die or Iraq to be a complete failure. Get a grip of yourself.
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