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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 5, 2019 6:46:23 GMT -5
Got as many classics as Noel from The Smiths days? Nope and that's the whole point. NG has banged out memorable riffs and solos, a lot of it may sound alike and be similar to play but they're iconic. Marr is a better guitar player no doubt but he doesn't have standout solos. Yep, agree with you on solos. Riffs I’m with JM.
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Post by ricardogce on Aug 7, 2019 18:08:47 GMT -5
Noel plays exactly as skillfully as his songs require. More virtuosity wouldn't have made any of his classics any better. And I happen to think he's quite good as is. Mind you, I'm an unsophisticated crisp muncher. Much too hot for a parka at the moment, though.
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Post by liammuc on Aug 11, 2019 4:30:32 GMT -5
Whoever heard the Multitrack version of "Live forever" and doesn't get psyched about his guitar solo - shame on you!
Also it is really hard to write a "simple" song like "Live forever" that has such a big impact on millions of people!
There are so many talented studio musicians out there that will never make it because they basically sound "lifeless" almost like a trained robot.
Music is about creating emotions and that's what Noel is almost unmatched with his songwriting and guitar playing style (at least in his Oasis prime days).
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Post by ricardogce on Aug 13, 2019 20:40:36 GMT -5
Whoever heard the Multitrack version of "Live forever" and doesn't get psyched about his guitar solo - shame on you! Also it is really hard to write a "simple" song like "Live forever" that has such a big impact on millions of people! There are so many talented studio musicians out there that will never make it because they basically sound "lifeless" almost like a trained robot. Music is about creating emotions and that's what Noel is almost unmatched with his songwriting and guitar playing style (at least in his Oasis prime days). True perfection has to be imperfect, after all.
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Post by garys on Aug 30, 2019 20:58:36 GMT -5
Noel makes a great and glorious noise on his guitar, that's rock 'n' roll baby
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Post by Marissa on Oct 17, 2019 23:30:57 GMT -5
Noel plays exactly as skillfully as his songs require. More virtuosity wouldn't have made any of his classics any better. And I happen to think he's quite good as is. Mind you, I'm an unsophisticated crisp muncher. Much too hot for a parka at the moment, though. i love munching crisps. i want some crisps. i think kroger is closed by 1130 tho. what a tragedy this is.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 4, 2019 18:22:11 GMT -5
He’s not good, he’s great....
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 4, 2019 18:24:52 GMT -5
He's as good as he needs to be, no more, no less.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 2, 2021 0:36:15 GMT -5
Whoever heard the Multitrack version of "Live forever" and doesn't get psyched about his guitar solo - shame on you! Also it is really hard to write a "simple" song like "Live forever" that has such a big impact on millions of people! There are so many talented studio musicians out there that will never make it because they basically sound "lifeless" almost like a trained robot. Music is about creating emotions and that's what Noel is almost unmatched with his songwriting and guitar playing style (at least in his Oasis prime days). This hits the nail on the head. Anyone who often wants to criticise Oasis always talks about how good it is musically. The whole point is they created something much bigger than the sum of its parts. One of the greatest things about Noels songs is the melody has to be there or it just isn't good. He can't hide behind the music. And when he gets it right, he creates era defining music. Give me that over a pretentious Radiohead 9 minute song anyday.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 2, 2021 13:39:38 GMT -5
I think that Noel has probably got better as a guitarist over the years but that said his guitar playing has always been good on Oasis songs.
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Post by walterglass on Jan 2, 2021 18:21:22 GMT -5
The myth of Noel being a poor musician is ridiculous. He’s not Albert Lee or EVH - but he is very solid all round.
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Post by Regi on Jan 2, 2021 20:45:11 GMT -5
I have no idea if he is or isn't. What I do know is that I have been in amongst thousands going mental to Oasis songs. He does something right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 2:38:42 GMT -5
He is neither really good nor really poor, he just seems lazy.
But then again bar a couple of notable exceptions (Songbird, maybe TUTS) even in his worst form he came up with the best songs, so the question is who would actually challenge him.
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Post by My Big Name on Jan 3, 2021 22:06:38 GMT -5
The myth of Noel being a poor musician is ridiculous. He’s not Albert Lee or EVH - but he is very solid all round. Compared to most professional musicians he's pretty poor, especially those who have been playing as long as him. He's not that bad that it affects his songwriting though so it doesn't really matter.
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Post by walterglass on Jan 5, 2021 17:07:48 GMT -5
The myth of Noel being a poor musician is ridiculous. He’s not Albert Lee or EVH - but he is very solid all round. Compared to most professional musicians he's pretty poor, especially those who have been playing as long as him. He's not that bad that it affects his songwriting though so it doesn't really matter. There are musicians around who could run rings round him, I agree. But the thread isn’t titled “Noel is relatively lacking and should’ve progressed more by now”. It suggests he’s not good, when he is actually undeniably “good”. He’s not great, I accept. He’s not Tosin Abasi.
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 5, 2021 17:17:18 GMT -5
It's all about the melody, he would create a great melody for so many songs then create a guitar solo that compliments it yet usually had another great melody of its own, if that makes sense.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 5, 2021 17:59:58 GMT -5
He's technically average and keeps it simple, but he's a solid all around pop musician and you recognise him when he plays It's all an instrument to write songs for him, served him pretty well down the years
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Post by parkamonkey93 on Jan 9, 2021 12:23:14 GMT -5
I think Noel's playing was kinda sloppy at times in the 90's but once he quit drugs his playing got better.
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Post by wanttobuyanuke on Sept 11, 2022 13:05:23 GMT -5
I think Noel's playing was kinda sloppy at times in the 90's but once he quit drugs his playing got better. Thank you. Yes he’s a song writer as per this video and his most recently released guitar video Epiphone I might add as to why I don’t know I’ve seen Metallica and everyone but van Halen and I can honestly say before they bagged it up!!!!! On the dig out your soul tour noel could put anyone anywhere into shock at a gig. Small hands and perfect guitar playing. Maybe song writing and playing your own songs and solos means you play with more soul! Don’t know
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Post by yeahyeahyeahyeah on Sept 11, 2022 17:50:40 GMT -5
old thread popped up i've never seen so... some of Noel's solos, for instance 'live forever', are stone cold rock classics. The foo fighters gig with liam the other week is a perfect example, the guy 'doing' noel with some extra flourishes, but it's noels solo, it's the notes, it's not like you can just play any old solo in that part of the song.
in recent times (20 years???) he seemed to step back, even apparently recently saying he had to re-learn the solo to DLBIA. Fuck knows why. laxy? Let Gem do it? who knows. Upshot is he used to be a wonderfully intutiative lead guitar player when he wanted to be. maybe he still is.
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Post by paddyramone on Jan 28, 2023 20:50:56 GMT -5
When you write tunes like he did you don’t need to be Slash. He was a songwriter first and foremost a lead guitarist second. He still payed some tasty stuff over the years, and he knows more about chords than he lets on. He was the best Oasis guitarist there’s been or will be. What he played was perfect for what he’d wrote. His guitar sound was as much part of the sound as Liams voice. It just worked.
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Post by Marissa on Jan 28, 2023 23:54:12 GMT -5
this thread is back again?!
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 29, 2023 13:13:13 GMT -5
When you write tunes like he did you don’t need to be Slash. He was a songwriter first and foremost a lead guitarist second. He still payed some tasty stuff over the years, and he knows more about chords than he lets on. He was the best Oasis guitarist there’s been or will be. What he played was perfect for what he’d wrote. His guitar sound was as much part of the sound as Liams voice. It just worked. Yeah, that's true that you don't need to be Slash when writing songs. Noel may have been the best guitarist in Oasis especially during the original line up but Gem is also pretty good too.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 29, 2023 14:39:37 GMT -5
AI will replace all but the very best guitarists at least for song creation.
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Post by Sadie on Jan 29, 2023 15:43:47 GMT -5
He's not the best guitar player in the world and to claim otherwise would be disingenuous, but he was incredible at doing exactly what he needed to do to elevate a song a little bit more, at least on the album versions. He never overplayed anything and most importantly of all his solos were melodic which to me is the most important thing, his style (to me at least) is infinitely better than the style where you just go nuts on the fretboard for minutes on end just for the sake of it
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