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Post by jasonbourne on Mar 8, 2008 18:08:43 GMT -5
Klosterman is an American journalist whose work often focuses on pop culture. (excerpt from longer article, but this is the only mention of Oasis) www.spin.com/articles/january-1995Which brings us to Oasis, a band that cut out the middleman and passed the megalomania on to you. Oasis became the anti-Pearl Jam: They weren't nice to anyone, including themselves. "Because Oasis is fueled by a creative tension growing out of the mutual loathing of the Gallagher brothers," wrote Jonathan Bernstein, "it's questionable whether the band will have an evolution." Oasis did evolve; they evolved into cokeheads, and it became increasingly difficult to take them seriously. But it's even more difficult to argue with their musical output; whereas Pearl Jam only made one great song, Noel Gallagher wrote at least three for Definitely Maybe. And he kept going. "Acquiesce" is awesome x 3. "Don't Look Back in Anger" is awesome x 11. Everyone likes to claim Be Here Now is atrocious, but it's still cooler than anything by Blur. In fact, Oasis produced two of the three exceptional Britpop albums released in the entire '90s. So we are left to wonder: Who's better off? Pearl Jam for succeeding at becoming average on purpose, or Oasis for becoming ridiculous by accident? Both Eddie and Noel adore Neil Young, a man who asked a similar question in 1979: Is it better to burn out or to fade away? Everything changes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2008 20:16:35 GMT -5
Pearl Jam are shit, there are more then three "exceptional" Brit pop albums, and another critic another day.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 9, 2008 19:51:20 GMT -5
Pearl Jam are shit, there are more then three "exceptional" Brit pop albums, and another critic another day. Do you understand english ?
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Post by jasonbourne on Mar 10, 2008 2:16:50 GMT -5
During a recent speaking engagement, Chuck had a few more words about Oasis:
Klosterman didn't spend very much time discussing politics, but he did open with a short monologue concerning Presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton who was hosting a rally on the other side of town. He said it was too bad they had to compete because it would have been cool if "we somehow combined events." He suggested they could debate and conceded that she would probably be stronger on topics like heath care and national defense, but when it came down to "Oasis b-sides or Lost conspiracy theories I would crush her."
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 10, 2008 4:08:25 GMT -5
During a recent speaking engagement, Chuck had a few more words about Oasis: Klosterman didn't spend very much time discussing politics, but he did open with a short monologue concerning Presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton who was hosting a rally on the other side of town. He said it was too bad they had to compete because it would have been cool if "we somehow combined events." He suggested they could debate and conceded that she would probably be stronger on topics like heath care and national defense, but when it came down to "Oasis b-sides or Lost conspiracy theories I would crush her." Good things.
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Post by nyr401994 on Mar 10, 2008 18:49:09 GMT -5
pearl jam is tied with oasis as my favorite band. they are both amazing, in their good times and bad (and many drummer changes).
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Post by (The One And Only)Jesus Christ on Mar 10, 2008 20:41:31 GMT -5
Klosterman is an American journalist whose work often focuses on pop culture. (excerpt from longer article, but this is the only mention of Oasis) www.spin.com/articles/january-1995Which brings us to Oasis, a band that cut out the middleman and passed the megalomania on to you. Oasis became the anti-Pearl Jam: They weren't nice to anyone, including themselves. "Because Oasis is fueled by a creative tension growing out of the mutual loathing of the Gallagher brothers," wrote Jonathan Bernstein, "it's questionable whether the band will have an evolution." Oasis did evolve; they evolved into cokeheads, and it became increasingly difficult to take them seriously. But it's even more difficult to argue with their musical output; whereas Pearl Jam only made one great song, Noel Gallagher wrote at least three for Definitely Maybe. And he kept going. "Acquiesce" is awesome x 3. "Don't Look Back in Anger" is awesome x 11. Everyone likes to claim Be Here Now is atrocious, but it's still cooler than anything by Blur. In fact, Oasis produced two of the three exceptional Britpop albums released in the entire '90s. So we are left to wonder: Who's better off? Pearl Jam for succeeding at becoming average on purpose, or Oasis for becoming ridiculous by accident? Both Eddie and Noel adore Neil Young, a man who asked a similar question in 1979: Is it better to burn out or to fade away? Everything changes. Sounds like this is Chuck Klosterman trying to promote himself. There is a reference to Be Here Now in this article, but its dated 1995...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 22:33:56 GMT -5
Pearl Jam are shit, there are more then three "exceptional" Brit pop albums, and another critic another day. Do you understand english ? No, please explain what I missed.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 11, 2008 5:22:03 GMT -5
Do you understand english ? No, please explain what I missed. You missed what he didn't say.
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Post by Smige on Mar 11, 2008 5:49:31 GMT -5
Pearl Jam have more than one good song.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 11, 2008 6:15:58 GMT -5
Pearl Jam have more than one good song. Yes they do.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Mar 11, 2008 7:33:23 GMT -5
Sounds like this is Chuck Klosterman trying to promote himself. There is a reference to Be Here Now in this article, but its dated 1995... The actual article states it was written in December 2005. Not sure why it was headlined January 1995, maybe just looking back at a specific moment in music I guess.
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Post by jlzoasis on Mar 11, 2008 8:00:19 GMT -5
pearl jam is tied with oasis as my favorite band. they are both amazing, in their good times and bad (and many drummer changes). you weren't at Pearl Jam gig at Nassau coliseum a couple of years ago with a Man City jersey on? I was just walking to the bathroom there was this guy! anyways its bound to happen Pearl Jam and Oasis are the biggest bands of a generation...there are bound to be crossovers..
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Post by (The One And Only)Jesus Christ on Mar 11, 2008 10:19:16 GMT -5
Sounds like this is Chuck Klosterman trying to promote himself. There is a reference to Be Here Now in this article, but its dated 1995... The actual article states it was written in December 2005. Not sure why it was headlined January 1995, maybe just looking back at a specific moment in music I guess. Ahhh ok I never clicked on the link.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2008 2:28:09 GMT -5
No, please explain what I missed. You missed what he didn't say. You're really not doing a good job of explaining. Fine, please elaborate on what he did not say.
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Post by ToneBender on Mar 12, 2008 7:02:49 GMT -5
It's interesting because in a few of my Klosterman books, he kind of demeans Oasis. From what I've read in his writing, he comes across as a music snob that views Oasis as nothing more than a "guilty pleasure" for lack of a better word. Anyone more familiar with his writing? In particular "Fargo Rock City"? Admittedly, it's been a few years since I've read it...
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 12, 2008 10:15:24 GMT -5
Being born and raised in Fargo, ND I am a bit familiar with this guy. He was a heavy metal guy from what I remember. He was a bit biased on his reviews of albums when it came to music that wasn't "heavy"
I do remember parts of his BHN review in the Fargo Forum. He gave it 4/5 stars, and called Oasis the last of the 4 "big bands" to emerge in the early and mid nineties. The other three bands were Guns n Roses, Pearl Jam, and Nirvana.
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Post by ogradym on Mar 12, 2008 13:08:52 GMT -5
I really dig Chuck Klosterman, he's one of the few rock critics with a head on his shoulders, and ironically recognizes the absolute ridicoulousness of his craft (rock criticism). Everybody should read his book "killing yourself to live" it's about him visiting the grave/death sites of famous rock stars, and it also is about his journey through the country and his personal life. Funny, informative, real, and he references Oasis a few times, something about when people are doing lines of coke "Be Here Now" is the ultimate album. really cool book.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Mar 12, 2008 15:07:37 GMT -5
I dig PJ like crazy too, they were the first band I really got into and Ten was the 2nd CD I ever bought with my own money. I still listen to them on a regular basis and expecially the Yeild album, it's full of great songs.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Mar 13, 2008 12:52:44 GMT -5
Interesting read. I wish I knew more about Klosterman like you guys are alluding to, but I get the main points.
However, I disagree on two points. Oasis weren't big accidentaly. Noel worked hard. Also, Pearl Jam had more than one great song (not as many great ones as Oasis however).
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Post by LuckyJim on Mar 20, 2008 13:58:41 GMT -5
Klosterman was a regular columnist for "Spin" for a while, and he did a series where he re-visited past issues of the magazine. So this was a 2005 column by Klosterman where he talks about a 1995 issue of "Spin." I didn't think he was insulting either group here.
I can generally take or leave Klosterman (I've read 2 of his books), but he hits on a truth here for me: back then, Oasis were my anti-Pearl Jam. That's one of the reasons I liked Oasis — they didn't apologize for writing a great song, and didn't get all self-conscious and defensive about success.
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Post by nyr401994 on Mar 22, 2008 22:32:50 GMT -5
pearl jam is tied with oasis as my favorite band. they are both amazing, in their good times and bad (and many drummer changes). you weren't at Pearl Jam gig at Nassau coliseum a couple of years ago with a Man City jersey on? I was just walking to the bathroom there was this guy! anyways its bound to happen Pearl Jam and Oasis are the biggest bands of a generation...there are bound to be crossovers.. unfortunately, i wasn't at that gig, jenny... i did see them at continental in '06 though... next time they come to town, i'll be sure to wear my man city uni though ;D
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Post by killswitch on Aug 23, 2013 16:39:41 GMT -5
Pearl Jam is a great band, love them, but they're nowhere near as good and never had an impact big as Oasis on me
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Post by oneeye on Aug 24, 2013 5:23:12 GMT -5
Was just reading this thread and didn't realise how old it is lol
Pearl Jam always seemed to me as just an American thing, never really took notice of them tbh
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 24, 2013 9:54:29 GMT -5
Both are great bands and parallels to one another. Most Americans couldn't give two shits about Oasis. They consider them basically a flash in the pan. Likewise, people over seas might view Pearl Jam the same way. I think it depends where you grew up and how you perceive their influences.
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