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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 4, 2006 14:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by drunken guitar pop on Mar 4, 2006 18:08:14 GMT -5
Seen that posted elsewhere a hundred times, and I am not wasting an hour on it. But, if it raises the same issues as the video discussed here, enjoy. If not, I don't care, it's probably just as retarded: www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 4, 2006 18:55:25 GMT -5
Seen that posted elsewhere a hundred times, and I am not wasting an hour on it. But, if it raises the same issues as the video discussed here, enjoy. If not, I don't care, it's probably just as retarded: www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htmif you dont want to waste an hour on it, then dont. It does raise them issues and more too. But if you could be bothered watchin the vid, you might learn something.
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Post by drunken guitar pop on Mar 4, 2006 21:31:37 GMT -5
No, I don't think I would. Those things deserve people's attention as much as the miracle products advertised on TV at 3 a.m. deserve a cover article in Popular Science.
I would be happy to read a post's worth of rebuttals to what the snopes article said though, if you can produce that.
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 4, 2006 21:41:45 GMT -5
i guess my thing with the Pentagon crash is where are the videos? Its gotta be one of the most heavily defended buildings in the world (maybe)
There have to be more camera shots than that one
And all the local stores and businesses around the area had all their surveillance tapes seized
Lets see them
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 4, 2006 22:43:05 GMT -5
i guess my thing with the Pentagon crash is where are the videos? Its gotta be one of the most heavily defended buildings in the world (maybe) There have to be more camera shots than that one And all the local stores and businesses around the area had all their surveillance tapes seized Lets see them exactly. that doesnt add up. They could easily prove the theories wrong if they showed us the tapes. yet they seized them all and told the employers never to mention it. hmmmm nothin dodgy there at all
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Post by Poshbird05 on Mar 4, 2006 22:43:39 GMT -5
maybe all the cameras on the building were destroyed in the crash?
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 4, 2006 22:45:35 GMT -5
no, theres a building opposite that got it all perfectly.
the FBI seized it tho within 30 mins and told the people who worked there not say anything.
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Post by Poshbird05 on Mar 4, 2006 22:47:27 GMT -5
Damn FBI
It would be intresting to see
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 5, 2006 1:16:47 GMT -5
So, then where is the plane? where are all those people on the plane?
-they never existed?-the gov made them up and made a deal with all their 'families'? -the gov killed them? -the gov is hiding them?
omfg....answer the above question.....THINK.....if it was all a conspiracy, all those ppl (plane) WOULD NOT BE DEAD and 4 AIRPLANES WOULD STILL BE IN USE
then explain all the intel that pointed to the attack all the interrorgations that gave even more info all the documents and such found in other countries the hijackers, Atta caught on security tapes families with recorded messages of their loved ones trapped in buildings saying last goodbyes Richard Reid....yeh must have been a conspiracy too then the 20th hijacker...mousarrie (h/e u spell his name)
i dont understand how you ppl can believe that it was a conspiracy.....i guess you cant think, cos if u could you would see its not even possible.
In your minds we didnt land on the moon then? i guess the holocaust didnt exist either? maybe Hitler wasnt real? Maybe Saddam and OBL were created by Bush and never existed? You probably have been abducted by aliens and been in an UFO. Along with time traveled...etc etc
stop being so absurd. you cant be expected to be taken seriously, can you?
the only thing i wish from your type is for you just to THINK....for your own sake
or continue being ignorant and foolish....whichever you prefer, just expect to be laughed at and not paid much attention to
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Mar 5, 2006 8:26:57 GMT -5
So, then where is the plane? where are all those people on the plane? -they never existed?-the gov made them up and made a deal with all their 'families'? -the gov killed them? -the gov is hiding them? omfg....answer the above question.....THINK.....if it was all a conspiracy, all those ppl (plane) WOULD NOT BE DEAD and 4 AIRPLANES WOULD STILL BE IN USE then explain all the intel that pointed to the attack all the interrorgations that gave even more info all the documents and such found in other countries the hijackers, Atta caught on security tapes families with recorded messages of their loved ones trapped in buildings saying last goodbyes Richard Reid....yeh must have been a conspiracy too then the 20th hijacker...mousarrie (h/e u spell his name) i dont understand how you ppl can believe that it was a conspiracy.....i guess you cant think, cos if u could you would see its not even possible. In your minds we didnt land on the moon then? i guess the holocaust didnt exist either? maybe Hitler wasnt real? Maybe Saddam and OBL were created by Bush and never existed? You probably have been abducted by aliens and been in an UFO. Along with time traveled...etc etc stop being so absurd. you cant be expected to be taken seriously, can you? the only thing i wish from your type is for you just to THINK....for your own sake or continue being ignorant and foolish....whichever you prefer, just expect to be laughed at and not paid much attention to listen you cocky little prick. im only stating questions that need to be answerd and things that just don't add up. Dont you dare call me ignorant you tosser. You have your views which i dont agree with on most occassions but i dont shoot you down for them. You clearly like discussing interesting topics with people, but if you dont learn to accept other peoples opinions in life and not slag them off for thinking something different, your going to get no where in life. I never once said it was a conspiracy. There are just some things are that are too unbelievable for my liking. 7 black boxes made out of the strongest material known to man were destroyed when the planes hit the WTC. Fair enough i can believe that. But then the FBI find the hi-jackers passport on the floor outside the WTC, and their conclusion is that it must have fallen out of his pocket on collision. hmmm.. there will always be conspiracy theories. nothing new here at all. People will start to hate the government when they see these statements and believe in the conspiracy. like ive already said then, why dont the US government release the video of the CCTV from the garage accross the road? It had a perfect viewing of the area in question. so why the fuck dont they release the tape of exactly what happened which will make you happy and shut everyone up. Seems a bit dodgy to me?! We could go on and on which i cant be arsed doin with someone who has shit debating skills. If you wanna make it in life like i hear you saying alot, go to a debating tutorial or something. You cant just dismiss peoples opinions and views because you dont like it.... actually... come to think of it... do you work in the Bush admin?
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Post by Dominic on Mar 5, 2006 8:28:22 GMT -5
with regards to Bush in the class room, i think people are clutching at straws, he did the best thing by finishing the story then moving on, and he clearly wouldnt have known the scale of the attack, someone spoke in his ear for a few seconds, how much could he have learnt, im not pro bush, but sometimes people are anti bush about the most stupid things.
i think there is something slightly strange about the pentagon attack thou, dont know what it is, just something not quite right
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 5, 2006 8:28:25 GMT -5
then explain all the intel that pointed to the attack all the interrorgations that gave even more info all the documents and such found in other countries the hijackers, Atta caught on security tapes families with recorded messages of their loved ones trapped in buildings saying last goodbyes Richard Reid....yeh must have been a conspiracy too then the 20th hijacker...mousarrie (h/e u spell his name) i hey knob job - no one here is saying it was a conspiracy there are many unanswered questions like my last one - answer that one for me einstein then explain all the intel that pointed to the attack - What intel? all the interrorgations that gave even more info - Of who? BTW you spelled interrogations wrong all the documents and such found in other countries - What documents? the hijackers, Atta caught on security tapes - Families claim that some of the "hijackers" are still alive families with recorded messages of their loved ones trapped in buildings saying last goodbyes - What does that have to do with any of this? We know that people died in the buildings Richard Reid....yeh must have been a conspiracy too then - He has nothing to do with 9/11 the 20th hijacker...mousarrie (h/e u spell his name - He has never claimed to be one of the hijackers (not that we can believe that) Just that he is AL Quaeda
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Post by Poshbird05 on Mar 5, 2006 9:30:31 GMT -5
Alright the whole thing wasn't a conspiracy people died that's the fact I was down in DC I walked by the Pentigon and I saw the plane crashed into the side of the Pentigon. My friends dad works for the government he worked for a week straight pulling out dead bodies. He told me all about how he found dead bodies of children and other people. To say it was a conspiracy is fucking ignorent.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 5, 2006 10:59:37 GMT -5
thanks you Posh. Intel: we had information from the mid 90s that pointed to such an attack....alqaeda even wanted to crash planes into the CIA building, along with blowing up 12 planes in the air at the same time....and the whole 9/11 commission report?....READ THAT IF YOU WANT ANSWERS Questioning: every al-qaeda member who has been captured along with others down in Guatanamo (dont no how to spell it) Documents (and other info): airplane school in Florida, info on laptops...again, read the 9/11 report Atta: ummm we have him on security tape going through the airport on 9/11....hmmmm..... Richard Reid: brought him up bc hes connected to al-qaeda and wanted to bring down an airplane, and would have if ppl didnt fight back and if wasnt so retarded you, my friend, cannot connect the dots.....i hope to god our intel didnt think this way prior to the attack...if so, thats why we were attacked -- and until you continue with your cracked up theories, answer me this: Where is that plane? AND where are the people on that plane?-- how horrible it is to question the events of that day, esp when we all know what happened. the fact is that 3,000 people are dead. As much as you hate Bush, he had NOTHING to do with it. OBL doesnt exist either does he?
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 5, 2006 11:18:52 GMT -5
thanks you Posh. Intel: we had information from the mid 90s that pointed to such an attack....alqaeda even wanted to crash planes into the CIA building, along with blowing up 12 planes in the air at the same time....and the whole 9/11 commission report?....READ THAT IF YOU WANT ANSWERS Questioning: every al-qaeda member who has been captured along with others down in Guatanamo (dont no how to spell it) Documents (and other info): airplane school in Florida, info on laptops...again, read the 9/11 report Atta: ummm we have him on security tape going through the airport on 9/11....hmmmm..... Richard Reid: brought him up bc hes connected to al-qaeda and wanted to bring down an airplane, and would have if ppl didnt fight back and if wasnt so retarded you, my friend, cannot connect the dots.....i hope to god our intel didnt think this way prior to the attack...if so, thats why we were attacked -- and until you continue with your cracked up theories, answer me this: Where is that plane? AND where are the people on that plane?-- how horrible it is to question the events of that day, esp when we all know what happened. the fact is that 3,000 people are dead. As much as you hate Bush, he had NOTHING to do with it. OBL doesnt exist either does he? Questioning the captured - So what do they have to say? Yes I know that they took flight lessons and that they had Atta on camera. I never questioned that I'm not your friend and if you read my first post you will see that I never wanted to hurt anyone connected to that day. And also that I said I don't buy into this stuff. Just some interesting points. I haven't even really read through this website. I heard an interview with someone on the radio You still haven't answered my question about video at The Pentagon
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 5, 2006 17:31:48 GMT -5
first you have to answer WHERE THE PLAN IS AND ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE
come up with that answer, then u will acquire more credibility
i cant believe ppl actually believe in stuff like this
and as for the buildings collapsing: WTC's were the only buildings ever to be hit by a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER....it wasnt JUST a fire.....and the multiple explosions....well they were caused by the initial fire!!!!!
I could see debating this right after 9/11 when everyone was confused, but not 5 yrs later!!!!
I'm sure the gov wanted to destroy those buildings and kill 3,000 ppl.....Bush is not Hitler (despite what that crazy HS teacher thinks....)
I dont give a crap what videos they are holding or w/e.
For the last time, WHERE DID THAT JET GO THEN WITH THE PPL?
ppl are foolish if they belive this....yeh there might have been a bomb at the base of TWC, but apart from that, everything in the documentary above is bs
prob only 2% believe in the crap....sorry, but it is ignorance and not wanting to believe the truth....stop finding ways to hate this admin even more, it makes you look pathetic
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 5, 2006 17:38:36 GMT -5
first you have to answer WHERE THE PLAN IS AND ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE come up with that answer, then u will acquire more credibility i cant believe ppl actually believe in stuff like this and as for the buildings collapsing: WTC's were the only buildings ever to be hit by a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER....it wasnt JUST a fire.....and the multiple explosions....well they were caused by the initial fire!!!!! I could see debating this right after 9/11 when everyone was confused, but not 5 yrs later!!!! I'm sure the gov wanted to destroy those buildings and kill 3,000 ppl.....Bush is not Hitler (despite what that crazy HS teacher thinks....) I dont give a crap what videos they are holding or w/e. For the last time, WHERE DID THAT JET GO THEN WITH THE PPL? ppl are foolish if they belive this....yeh there might have been a bomb at the base of TWC, but apart from that, everything in the documentary above is bs prob only 2% believe in the crap....sorry, but it is ignorance and not wanting to believe the truth....stop finding ways to hate this admin even more, it makes you look pathetic I am not buying into this stuff - me and you have the same political agenda I want answers to these questions - lets get 'em!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 5, 2006 18:28:49 GMT -5
oh and that OBL quote:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a muslim I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people" -OBL, September 28, 2001
errr....didnt he declare war on the US in 1998? Isnt he connected to TWC bombings of 1993? And the bombings in Africa? And the USS Cole? And the attacks in Bali? And possibly the attacks in London?
Didnt he later claim responsibility? Weren't the hikackers from Al-qaeda? And isnt Al-Qaeda Bin Laden's network?
this has gone too far....YOU PPL ARE IDIOTS IF YOU BELIEVE THE ABOVE QUOTE.
So, bin laden is a good guy then that has never harmed anyone? for fucks sake this is absurd.
I'm done debating this issue with the ignorant fools who believe this. It has nothing to do with opinion. The facts are listed in the 9/11 Comission Report. buy that book if your interested in knowing HOW and WHY 9/11 happened.
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 5, 2006 23:02:49 GMT -5
oh and that OBL quote: "I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a muslim I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people" -OBL, September 28, 2001 errr....didnt he declare war on the US in 1998? Isnt he connected to TWC bombings of 1993? And the bombings in Africa? And the USS Cole? And the attacks in Bali? And possibly the attacks in London? Didnt he later claim responsibility? Weren't the hikackers from Al-qaeda? And isnt Al-Qaeda Bin Laden's network? this has gone too far....YOU PPL ARE IDIOTS IF YOU BELIEVE THE ABOVE QUOTE. So, bin laden is a good guy then that has never harmed anyone? for fucks sake this is absurd. I'm done debating this issue with the ignorant fools who believe this. It has nothing to do with opinion. The facts are listed in the 9/11 Comission Report. buy that book if your interested in knowing HOW and WHY 9/11 happened. No one here says they believe in any of this! How many times do I have to say it? Just cos some people have an open mind to something they are an idiot? You keep bringing up things from the website that no one is talking about Don't question my educatio with your long winded rants. you keep going way off track and all I want is one question answered. You just say "blah blha blah big deal if there are no videos" Yes it is a big deal Where the fuck are they? So you can go grab your "supersmart" high school diploma, tell me you are going to some posh fucking ivy league school and jerk me off for all I care All you are prob gonna write is a bunch of BS no one is gonna read anyways
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 5, 2006 23:39:19 GMT -5
i havnt graduated yet (3 months from Thursday lol), and im not going to an ivy league either lol
and lions, i wasnt attacking ur education or anyones really....i just cant fathom how ppl can believe in the theory. its not an opinion bc LOGIC shows that the theory has many many holes in it....
im not saying ppl are idiots for having an opinion, im saying ppl are idiots if they believe in this theory....cos THAT doesnt add up
so what are we talking about? the pentagon videos? how do we even know they are holding something? (i missed that part...)
But remember, the gov NEVER tells the public the whole story. (theres alot of things we dont know concerning Al-Qaeda, OBL, Iraq-the reasons why we went in, N Korea, Syria ETC ETC)...
They don't show Pentagon tapes because of the classified nature of the defenses around it. Why give the enemy any more info than you have too? Think about it. Some things you can't hide like news reports, people driving by the Pentagon, etc... Have they showed all the WTC tapes? Nope on that either So if they are keeping a specific tape in secret, then its probably for a good reason.....as you said, lions, you dont believe in the theory, thus you dont believe that a missile instead hit the Pentagon (the Plane issue shoots that theory down), so there would have to be another reason why they havnt shown the public.....
hell, it may even just be cos its too graphic....how often do u even see the towers hit anymore when 9/11 is brought up? not often, mainly cos its scares the crap out of little kids, and rightly so.
what happened on 9/11 was horrible to say the least. i wish people would stop trying to find other explanations for that day.
What matters is that 3,000 ppl lost their lives for no reason due to Bin Laden's al-qaeda network. 3 other hijackings have been prevented in the US since that day. Let's hope we can keep eliminating terrorists with our WOT and continue to be successful in preventing other attacks.
Is the theory concerning the pentagon interesting? sure. but it holds no substance due to the fact that that commerical airliner and the ppl on it no longer exists.
So i really dont understand what we're talking about. If noone believes the theory, esp since its not even possible to believe in, what is the big deal about the tape then?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 5, 2006 23:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by lionsden® on Mar 5, 2006 23:58:05 GMT -5
i havnt graduated yet (3 months from Thursday lol), and im not going to an ivy league either lol and lions, i wasnt attacking ur education or anyones really....i just cant fathom how ppl can believe in the theory. its not an opinion bc LOGIC shows that the theory has many many holes in it.... im not saying ppl are idiots for having an opinion, im saying ppl are idiots if they believe in this theory....cos THAT doesnt add up so what are we talking about? the pentagon videos? how do we even know they are holding something? (i missed that part...) But remember, the gov NEVER tells the public the whole story. (theres alot of things we dont know concerning Al-Qaeda, OBL, Iraq-the reasons why we went in, N Korea, Syria ETC ETC)... and they SHOULDNT tell us everything, cos then our enemies would find stuff out too. So if they are keeping a specific tape in secret, then its probably for a good reason.....as you said, lions, you dont believe in the theory, thus you dont believe that a missile instead hit the Pentagon (the Plane issue shoots that theory down), so there would have to be another reason why they havnt shown the public..... hell, it may just be cos its too graphic....how often do u even see the towers hit anymore when 9/11 is brought up? not often, mainly cos its scares the crap out of little kids, and rightly so. what happened on 9/11 was horrible to say the least. i wish people would stop trying to find other explanations for that day. What matters is that 3,000 ppl lost their lives for no reason due to Bin Laden's al-qaeda network. 3 other hijackings have been prevented in the US since that day. Let's hope we can keep eliminating terrorists with our WOT and continue to be successful in preventing other attacks. Is the theory concerning the pentagon interesting? sure. but it holds no substance due to the fact that that commerical airliner and the ppl on it no longer exists. So i really dont understand what we're talking about. If noone believes the theory, esp since its not even possible to believe in, what is the big deal about the tape then? And think about it....why would Bush want to kill 3,000 ppl? destroy a city? have citizens live in fear?....Go to war?....none of that leads to public support, surely Bush is smart enough to know THAT!! ok I can sleep now ;D I know you have not graduated yet and GW isn't Ivy league I don't believe any of this to a point -I just like the questions brought up - Its apretty elaborate plan for the Bush administration only being in office for 9 months I subscribe to Popular Mechanics and they disproved everything - In the new issue they disproved alot of the Katrina myths as well - good read I still believe there are some valid points there
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Post by mape on Mar 6, 2006 0:17:37 GMT -5
Until i read vagina4ever's posts i didn't really take a good look at that site, but his new world record for annoyingness has made me read through that website and i must say a lot of the points they make are quite valid. And a lot of the points they make have good backup so yeah i think i'll investigate this some more.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 6, 2006 0:21:44 GMT -5
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