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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 10, 2009 10:18:59 GMT -5
www.obama-fail.com/wordpress/Some are hilarious and some are down right enraging, but quality site nonetheless. I especially love the countdown clock
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Post by NYR on Jun 10, 2009 11:17:40 GMT -5
he's full of shit... he's a politician. we get it. you don't like obama.
ever notice that anti-bush people were unamerican when he was in office, ("love it or leave it," "you're with us or with them") but anti-obama people (limbaugh: "i want obama to fail") are only speaking their minds and employing their first amendment rights?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 10, 2009 13:00:51 GMT -5
cos Obama is the one who now seems unamerican.....meeting with dictators and apologizing to them, claiming we were the ones dictating.
FFS, we're the ones who cost our lives and spilled our blood to free many from dictators. The US has nothing to apologize for, and Obama doing so makes us look weak and only emboldens our enemies. Pathetic.
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Post by caro on Jun 10, 2009 13:04:42 GMT -5
well, no one can deny obama has made disturbing statements lately... and dont get me started with biden... "some money from the stimulus us going to be wasted..."
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Post by globe on Jun 10, 2009 14:43:58 GMT -5
I really love Obama. I'd shag him if I could.
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Post by NYR on Jun 10, 2009 15:03:26 GMT -5
l4e, i'm sorry if you think he's doing this world less good by talking to them first and trying to make an agreement. it's those like you who just want more war.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 10, 2009 15:48:02 GMT -5
cos Obama is the one who now seems unamerican.....meeting with dictators and apologizing to them, claiming we were the ones dictating. okay, what dictators did he apologize to. citation please. and what did george bush do about china? why didn't he free the chinese from the communist party? FFS, we're the ones who cost our lives and spilled our blood to free many from dictators. you fucking arrogant little twat! how many iraqis died in that war? how many iraqis asked george bush to come to their country and bomb their houses? not a single one! the us came to the iraq, destroyed it, tortured innocent people in the same prison as saddam did. and now the country suffers a terrible civil war. oh, i forgot, these innocent dead people (so many fucking more than us troops! - so it's not like you are the one's who cost your lives! dickhead!) are collateral to get this country into a safe state. sorry, i really don't understand how people are better off compared to saddams terrible regime! george bush just ended one clusterfuck and managed to even make it worse. fucker.
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Post by hollieoasis on Jun 10, 2009 16:35:22 GMT -5
www.obama-fail.com/wordpress/Some are hilarious and some are down right enraging, but quality site nonetheless. I especially love the countdown clock lol I like that lol Thankyou
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 10, 2009 21:50:12 GMT -5
Him meeting with Chavez? Come on now.
Talking with these nutcases, like the Iranian and S Korean leaders wont work. They keep defying what we agree with them. S Korea keeps flaunting and threatening their nuke capability, and Iran makes constant threats with ties to terrorist organizations.
If talking to these leaders was that easy, no wars would have been fought over the last 200 years.
We've all seen the problems with appeasement with Hitler. And we've all seen the problems with weak foreign policy seen with Carter.
And of course the Iraq War is a travesty. But when all is said and done and the Iraqis can live in freedom and not in fear, come to me then (and dont say it's not possible, it's looked more and more feasible since the successful surge.) Furthermore, look how many Saddam himself killed, tortured, captured, and frightened - Iraq, despite the shambles right now - is still better off than it was under Saddam, with it having hope of a much brighter future. (Since the media only reports the negative, it's no wonder you're ignorant of women having freedom now, girls being allowed to go to school, better roads and buildings being built, amongst many other positives.....)
And we should apologize for that? "Erm, sorry Iraqis, sorry we tried to get rid of a dictator because we thought he posed a threat to the world, sorry that we got rid of someone who committed almost genocidal numbers against his own people, sorry that we got rid of someone who would cut off peoples tongues and defied UN Resolutions time and time again....to rectify this situation, we'll find a replacement for Saddam, someone just as brutal" -- Yeah, ok, good luck with that.
And no, I dont want war, no one wants war. But you also don't take it off the table when dealing with these nutjobs.
Lastly, military options dont need to be a proper invasion, for example if Iran does develop nuclear weapons that are a real threat then strike the weapons factories - to take that kind of option off the table, as Obama wants to do, is foolish. (Side note: Enjoy Iran being granted to have nuclear power by Obama, say goodbye to Israel! - Once again, Obama showing how ignorant and naivee he is)
No one here wants war, but sometimes it - or a form of military operation - is necessary.
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Post by caro on Jun 10, 2009 22:11:49 GMT -5
yeah and talking about chavez, he said obama was more liberal than him... scary
so anyway, i think it's great to try to be more diplomatic and look less arrogant but it is not right to suck dicks and apologizing when no wrongs were done it's also disturbing and wrong to say that the US is the biggest muslim country... what kind of statement is that? was the teleprompter not working again? it is important than us people are not prejudiced against muslims and dont mix them up with terrorists but the us the biggest muslim country?!
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Post by caro on Jun 10, 2009 22:13:08 GMT -5
L4E, I thought you would have understood by now that the invasion of Iraq was part of an agenda, it was not inspired by the will to free people...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 11, 2009 1:58:54 GMT -5
L4E, I thought you would have understood by now that the invasion of Iraq was part of an agenda, it was not inspired by the will to free people... That may be, but it's transformed into that - and since that's a worthwile, positive, and now good intentioned goal, I don't see why people are complaining. These same silly people against helping out in Iraq advocate doing something in Darfur - which I'm for, but the senitment is hyporitical. Darfur is a much harder problem to solve....
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Post by globe on Jun 11, 2009 4:08:37 GMT -5
That may be, but it's transformed into that - and since that's a worthwile, positive, and now good intentioned goal, I don't see why people are complaining.Aye me too - imaging complaining about having bombs dropped on their houses and having their country turned into a hot bed for terrosists. Some people eh?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 11, 2009 4:27:30 GMT -5
That may be, but it's transformed into that - and since that's a worthwile, positive, and now good intentioned goal, I don't see why people are complaining.Aye me too - imaging complaining about having bombs dropped on their houses and having their country turned into a hot bed for terrosists. Some people eh? It's all a question of intentions. The sad fact of war is that people die, many in collateral damge. You have a case if we were targeting innocent Iraqis (dont bring up Abu G prison here, that was just a case of sick individuals and not the US' actual decision). What bothers me about most liberals is that for almost every situation, whether its Iraq or something else, all they can see is the short term. - We leave Iraq now, we'll be fine for a few years. But how about the long term? Iraq errupting into more chaos, AQ developing a new base with it becomnig their new Afghanistan, etc etc If we stay committed and finish the job and have at least a functioning Iraq, then all of this would have been worth it. Sure, I feel bad for any Iraqi who has lost a friend or family member because of US collateral damage, and of course nothing nor anyone can replace that loss, but if in 5 years said Iraqis are living in freedom that they could have only imagined for decades, if not centuries before, is quite a stunning proposition, and I think said Iraqis, while still upset at their losses, would feel good about the gains.... Note: How many people died in over how many years in the American Revolution? Would you say that 13+ year struggle wasn't worth it because it was violent and people died? No, I don't think you would.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 13, 2009 5:24:10 GMT -5
Now he wants to give terrorists Miranda Rights (which includes the right to remain silent). Yeah, make it easier for terrorists to attack us, Obama. Fucking idiot. Thousands of innocent Americans are going to die in another attack because of this clown.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2009 5:29:52 GMT -5
chavez is a legend
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Post by ToneBender on Jun 13, 2009 15:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 7:49:30 GMT -5
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Post by NYR on Jun 14, 2009 12:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 13:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 14, 2009 15:08:17 GMT -5
it's no wonder you're ignorant of women having freedom now, girls being allowed to go to school,better roads and buildings being built, amongst many other positives okay dude. why don't you inform yourself before posting such bullshit? do you have this from your elite university? i mean, you're presenting yourself as a foreign policy expert and then this. why don't you read a book instead of quoting fox news. in fact, under saddam, women were allowed to go to school and university and so on. also many of them were not wearing a muslim headscarf - and had no problems! something that is not very likely today. it's shocking that you still haven't understood that saddam was not a friend of the radical muslims like the mullahs in iran (the war... remember???)! and while reading the second part, i almost fell of the chair laughing. excuse me, are you talking about the builidings, that the us bombs destroyed in that war? is that the kind of help you think of? "hey, i just don't understand why you complain about us destroying your houses? they needed a renovation anyways..." hmm... i am looking forward to osamas video message when a new world trade center will be built. "look folks, without me, you would never have that new, shiny building! you really should be more thankful" sorry, but your stupidity leaves me amused and shocked. you are supposed to be the foreign policy elite? dont bring up Abu G prison here, that was just a case of sick individuals and not the US' actual decision also, this is simply not true. taking the photos might have been an individual decision but the interrogation tactics were approved by the administration! (i mean, you don't deny, that the us tortures...) and in fact, you support george bush in his decision to torture! where's the difference: saddam tortured enemies of his state, you want your government to torture for enemies of your state. i really cannot see a difference here. oh and, i am sick of talking about wmds. the fact that you still believe he was a threat to the world is simply ridiculous. but okay, there are probably also people who still believe that poland attacked hitler germany first... What bothers me about most liberals is that for almost every situation, whether its Iraq or something else, all they can see is the short term. what? hey, george bush went into iraq without any plan about what to do afterwards. he probably didn't even know, that there are sunnies, shiites and kurds that hate each other and that it was very likely that they would start killing each other! and you are complaining about a short term perspective... i just can't believe it. george bushs perspective ended at that day he landed on the fucking aircraft-carrier! Note: How many people died in over how many years in the American Revolution? Would you say that 13+ year struggle wasn't worth it because it was violent and people died? No, I don't think you would. but i would say that the americans started a revolution on their own! it was not like the french invaded the country, killed thousands, tortured and then told people that they are free now from the british kingdom! i would say, that the americans would have fought the french if that had happened. what a ridiculous "note"... but whatever. this thing will be working like it always does... you are not able to answer my post. start a new thread and torture us with your brilliant knowledge about foreign countries...
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 14, 2009 15:51:37 GMT -5
oh, and i am still missing a citation where obama apologized to a dictator and an answer why george bush didn't step up to the terrible regime in china.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 16:09:36 GMT -5
1.) Hugo Chaves
2.) Cos while China is indeed an authoritarian regime, it's what they call a "functioning" one. He hasn't killed his own citizens in genocidal numbers, and China's a huge economic partner with the US. Plus, starting a war with a country that houses the highest population of any country would not be smart. China, while communist, is not nearly as bad a Saddam's Iraq, Taliban's Afghanistan, Iran, N Korea, etc etc. Plus you can't fix every country, so rather the ones that are deemed the most serious should be dealt with first - in 2003 we saw that as Iraq, in 2009 we're seeing that as primarily N Korea, and most likely Iran, too.....
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Post by NYR on Jun 14, 2009 18:27:35 GMT -5
abu ghraib was absolutely okayed. it wasn't just "sick individuals," like you say. it was okayed by rumsfeld. www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25726413.htm...and to be completely honest, i'd much rather have someone talk to dubious leaders and try to work something out than just immediately put sanctions on them and bomb the shit out of them. your boy reagan did it.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 14, 2009 18:35:50 GMT -5
you dodged the spicy stuff, eh? ;D surprise! quotes please. 2.) Cos while China is indeed an authoritarian regime, it's what they call a "functioning" one. He hasn't killed his own citizens in genocidal numbers, and China's a huge economic partner with the US. a functioning authoritarian regime? what a zynical expression. china hasn't killed his own citizens in genocidal numbers? are you serious? they are no threat? they threaten taiwan almost all the time. china is not better than saddam. it's probably even worse. the thing is: china is indeed economically important - not to say that the us depend on china since bush needed cash to finance his war. so isn't this nice, that bush (in his battle for freedom) managed to make his country economically depend on a regime that is the most important ally of N (!) korea, myanmar and iran. what a great defender of the american dream. face it, fella: george bush sacrificed the probably most important thing in americas foreign policy - its integrity.
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